Puppet users - Apr 2008 - How are people using install.rb from the source distribution?

I''m looking at re-working or replacing install.rb from the source
distribution to allow more flexible installations, primarily to get MacPorts
and Fink packages working but to also work on automatic Mac pkg creation
from source.

How are people currently using it?

Currently the command line options are for options like --no-rdoc, --no-man,
--quick, --full, but if you want to specify a destination directory other
than "/" you pass it as an environment variable.

This is pretty clunky really, and I''d like to switch this over to an
option
and add some more like

--destdir
--prefix
--bindir
--sbindir
--mandir
--sitelibdir

etc.

Thoughts?



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2008/4/29 Nigel Kersten <nigelk@google.com>:
> I''m looking at re-working or replacing install.rb from the source
> distribution to allow more flexible installations, primarily to get
MacPorts
> and Fink packages working but to also work on automatic Mac pkg creation
> from source.
>
> How are people currently using it?
>
> Currently the command line options are for options like --no-rdoc,
--no-man,
> --quick, --full, but if you want to specify a destination directory other
> than "/" you pass it as an environment variable.
>
> This is pretty clunky really, and I''d like to switch this over to
an option
> and add some more like
>
> --destdir
> --prefix
> --bindir
> --sbindir
> --mandir
> --sitelibdir
seems much better - the debian packages currently just copy stuff
about manually, which is
a tad error prone...
-T

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On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 16:31 +0200, Thom May wrote:
> seems much better - the debian packages currently just copy stuff
> about manually, which is
> a tad error prone...
Same for the RPM''s, which has led to failures in the past.

David



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On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:59 AM, David Lutterkort <dlutter@redhat.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 16:31 +0200, Thom May wrote:
> > seems much better - the debian packages currently just copy stuff
> > about manually, which is
> > a tad error prone...
>
> Same for the RPM''s, which has led to failures in the past.
>
ok. Is there anything else anyone would like to see in the script other than
the options mentioned above?

It doesn''t sound like many people are even using the DESTDIR
environment
variable other than to whack everything in a directory to then re-package.

it should still do the same thing as the current script does when called
without any options.

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Nigel Kersten wrote:
> I''m looking at re-working or replacing install.rb from the source 
> distribution to allow more flexible installations, primarily to get 
> MacPorts and Fink packages working but to also work on automatic Mac 
> pkg creation from source.
>
> How are people currently using it?
>
> Currently the command line options are for options like --no-rdoc, 
> --no-man, --quick, --full, but if you want to specify a destination 
> directory other than "/" you pass it as an environment variable. 
>
> This is pretty clunky really, and I''d like to switch this over to
an
> option and add some more like
+1 for replacement assuming existing functionality (not options but 
internally) is maintained.

Regards

James Turnbull

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On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM, James Turnbull <james@lovedthanlost.net>
wrote:
>
> Nigel Kersten wrote:
> > I''m looking at re-working or replacing install.rb from the
source
> > distribution to allow more flexible installations, primarily to get
> > MacPorts and Fink packages working but to also work on automatic Mac
> > pkg creation from source.
> >
> > How are people currently using it?
> >
> > Currently the command line options are for options like --no-rdoc,
> > --no-man, --quick, --full, but if you want to specify a destination
> > directory other than "/" you pass it as an environment
variable.
> >
> > This is pretty clunky really, and I''d like to switch this
over to an
> > option and add some more like
> +1 for replacement assuming existing functionality (not options but
> internally) is maintained.
>
Yep. So I''m taking it that no-one really cares about maintaining the
DESTDIR
environment variable? I can throw it in to the replacement, but it''s
kind of
nasty.

Does anyone use any of the current options at all? They''re not even all
implemented in the script I believe.


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| Does anyone use any of the current options at all? They''re not even
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Luke uses the man page creation for new releases but I wrote it and
hence it''s kludgy.

Regards

James Turnbull
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On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 18:39 -0700, Nigel Kersten wrote:
> Yep. So I''m taking it that no-one really cares about maintaining
the
> DESTDIR environment variable? I can throw it in to the replacement,
> but it''s kind of nasty.
FWIW, if install.rb provides the same control over directories as
configure does, that''s good enough.

Actually, what you''d really want is options to control prefix, bindir,
sbindir etc. and then the ability to use DESTDIR to set a new root dir
for all of the above when you actually do the install. That would be a
really nice solution.

David




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On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:06 PM, David Lutterkort <dlutter@redhat.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 18:39 -0700, Nigel Kersten wrote:
> > Yep. So I''m taking it that no-one really cares about
maintaining the
> > DESTDIR environment variable? I can throw it in to the replacement,
> > but it''s kind of nasty.
>
> FWIW, if install.rb provides the same control over directories as
> configure does, that''s good enough.
>
> Actually, what you''d really want is options to control prefix,
bindir,
> sbindir etc. and then the ability to use DESTDIR to set a new root dir
> for all of the above when you actually do the install. That would be a
> really nice solution.
>
That''s how I was planning to do it, but without an environment
variable, and
maybe rename destdir to installroot or something.

so if you did

./install.rb --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin
--installroot=/tmp/pkgroot/

you''d end up with

/tmp/pkgroot/usr/bin
/tmp/pkgroot/usr/sbin

etc

The question is whether "--prefix" makes sense in the context of
installing
ruby libraries. I''m not sure it does, so maybe it shouldn''t be
an option.

ie

./install.rb --prefix=/usr/local

where would the ruby libraries go?




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2008/4/30 Nigel Kersten <nigelk@google.com>:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM, James Turnbull
<james@lovedthanlost.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Nigel Kersten wrote:
> > > I''m looking at re-working or replacing install.rb from
the source
> > > distribution to allow more flexible installations, primarily to
get
> > > MacPorts and Fink packages working but to also work on automatic
Mac
> > > pkg creation from source.
> > >
> > > How are people currently using it?
> > >
> > > Currently the command line options are for options like
--no-rdoc,
> > > --no-man, --quick, --full, but if you want to specify a
destination
> > > directory other than "/" you pass it as an environment
variable.
> > >
> > > This is pretty clunky really, and I''d like to switch
this over to an
> > > option and add some more like
> > +1 for replacement assuming existing functionality (not options but
> > internally) is maintained.
> >
>
> Yep. So I''m taking it that no-one really cares about maintaining
the DESTDIR
> environment variable? I can throw it in to the replacement, but
it''s kind of
> nasty.
<waves>
I''m using it in the building of the Solaris package... could always
move to something else...


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On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Gary Law <gary.law@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yep. So I''m taking it that no-one really cares about
maintaining the
> DESTDIR
> > environment variable? I can throw it in to the replacement, but
it''s
> kind of
> > nasty.
>
> <waves>
> I''m using it in the building of the Solaris package... could
always
> move to something else...

ok. is there anything you''re having to hack around on with package
creation
that the install script could resolve?


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On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 14:12 -0700, Nigel Kersten wrote:
> That''s how I was planning to do it, but without an environment
> variable, and maybe rename destdir to installroot or something.
> 
> so if you did
> 
> ./install.rb --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin
> --installroot=/tmp/pkgroot/
> 
> you''d end up with
> 
> /tmp/pkgroot/usr/bin
> /tmp/pkgroot/usr/sbin
That sounds really good.
> The question is whether "--prefix" makes sense in the context of
> installing ruby libraries. I''m not sure it does, so maybe it
shouldn''t
> be an option.
It would only make sense if the defaults for bindir etc. were defined in
terms of ${prefix}, but to be really useful, you''d want some other
prefixes (in a way similar to what configure does)

I doubt that that would be needed much, though.

David




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I''d vote to keep DESTDIR around.  It''s a pretty common ENV
variable to
pass, especially when packaging RPMs.

But yeah, the ability to configure each of the directories
specifically would be awesome.  Another bonus would be the ability to
specify the directories puppet uses in it''s configuration ( /etc/
puppet, /var/puppet, etc ) and generate a workable config with those
in place.

--
sh


On Apr 30, 3:40 pm, David Lutterkort <dlut...@redhat.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 14:12 -0700, Nigel Kersten wrote:
> > That''s how I was planning to do it, but without an
environment
> > variable, and maybe rename destdir to installroot or something.
>
> > so if you did
>
> > ./install.rb --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin
> > --installroot=/tmp/pkgroot/
>
> > you''d end up with
>
> > /tmp/pkgroot/usr/bin
> > /tmp/pkgroot/usr/sbin
>
> That sounds really good.
>
> > The question is whether "--prefix" makes sense in the
context of
> > installing ruby libraries. I''m not sure it does, so maybe it
shouldn''t
> > be an option.
>
> It would only make sense if the defaults for bindir etc. were defined in
> terms of ${prefix}, but to be really useful, you''d want some other
> prefixes (in a way similar to what configure does)
>
> I doubt that that would be needed much, though.
>
> David
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