Puppet users - Nov 2007 - What to call a class: Manifest? Configuration? ResourceContainer?

Hi all,

I''ve got a new class in the current code, which I''ve been
calling
Configuration but Matt reasonably thinks is horrible.

He is recommending the name Manifest, and I figured I''d see what  
others thought.

The point of the class is to function as a resource container -- it  
keeps a reference to all of the resources we''re managing, and knows  
how to interact with transaction and stuff.

Any other terminological ideas?

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On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:10 AM, Luke Kanies wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I''ve got a new class in the current code, which I''ve been
calling
> Configuration but Matt reasonably thinks is horrible.
>
> He is recommending the name Manifest, and I figured I''d see what
> others thought.
>
> The point of the class is to function as a resource container -- it
> keeps a reference to all of the resources we''re managing, and
knows
> how to interact with transaction and stuff.
>
> Any other terminological ideas?
Manifest might be confused with our existing use of manifest.

Based off your description of this thing, would Bill of Materials, or  
BOM work?

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Department of Mathematics

On Nov 27, 2007 10:10 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com>
wrote:
> The point of the class is to function as a resource container -- it
> keeps a reference to all of the resources we''re managing, and
knows
> how to interact with transaction and stuff.
Ideas:

resourcecontainer
rescontainer
managedresources

I haven''t looked at the code to see what naming might be consistent
though.

On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Jeff McCune wrote:
> Manifest might be confused with our existing use of manifest.
>
> Based off your description of this thing, would Bill of Materials, or
> BOM work?
I would really like something that was easy to type, since it comes  
up a *lot*, and neither of these are great for that, unless you used  
''bom'' everywhere, which, well, is a bit strange.

Joshua asks about:

resourcecontainer
rescontainer
managedresources

These kind of fail the ''easy'' test, too.

I think I like Manifest best so far, and in some ways it''s reusing  
the term -- it''s either a file with resources in it, or it''s
the
resources in memory.

I''ll do some thesaurus trawling to see what I can come up with, but  
are there any other recommendations?

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On Nov 29, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Luke Kanies wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Jeff McCune wrote:
>
>> Manifest might be confused with our existing use of manifest.
>>
>> Based off your description of this thing, would Bill of Materials, or
>> BOM work?
>
> I would really like something that was easy to type, since it comes
> up a *lot*, and neither of these are great for that, unless you used
> ''bom'' everywhere, which, well, is a bit strange.
>
> Joshua asks about:
>
> resourcecontainer
> rescontainer
> managedresources
>
> These kind of fail the ''easy'' test, too.
>
> I think I like Manifest best so far, and in some ways it''s reusing
> the term -- it''s either a file with resources in it, or
it''s the
> resources in memory.
>
> I''ll do some thesaurus trawling to see what I can come up with,
but
> are there any other recommendations?
Assuming this has something do with the configuration abstraction  
layer and the data clients send back, I think it''s more accurate to  
call it a Result since it''s what''s coming back from the
client, or
maybe Harvest or Aftermath  ;)

-Blake

Hi,
On 28/11/2007, at 6.10, Luke Kanies wrote:
> The point of the class is to function as a resource container -- it
> keeps a reference to all of the resources we''re managing, and
knows
> how to interact with transaction and stuff.
>
> Any other terminological ideas?
As I understand it, the class is both a container for structure and  
for processes, and that makes it hard to coin in one, simple word.  
But what about Policy?

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On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 04:35:43PM -0600, Luke Kanies
wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Jeff McCune wrote:
> 
> > Manifest might be confused with our existing use of manifest.
> >
> > Based off your description of this thing, would Bill of Materials, or
> > BOM work?
> 
> I would really like something that was easy to type, since it comes  
> up a *lot*, and neither of these are great for that, unless you used  
> ''bom'' everywhere, which, well, is a bit strange.
> 
> Joshua asks about:
> 
> resourcecontainer
> rescontainer
> managedresources
> 
> These kind of fail the ''easy'' test, too.
> 
> I think I like Manifest best so far
It''s going to be confusing :-/
> I''ll do some thesaurus trawling to see what I can come up with,
but
> are there any other recommendations?
Basket
Cart

(mnemonic: you put stuff (i.e. resources) into a basket/cart when
shopping (i.e. performing a transaction))

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On Nov 29, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Blake Barnett wrote:
> Assuming this has something do with the configuration abstraction
> layer and the data clients send back, I think it''s more accurate
to
> call it a Result since it''s what''s coming back from the
client, or
> maybe Harvest or Aftermath  ;)
It''s not only used for that, and focusing around that model is one of  
the mistakes I made in development.  It should be easy to do the  
other things, like just create a resource container, add some  
resources to it, and apply it.


On Nov 30, 2007, at 2:52 AM, Juri Rischel Jensen wrote:
> As I understand it, the class is both a container for structure and
> for processes, and that makes it hard to coin in one, simple word.
> But what about Policy?
Heh, I''m a big fan of using vague words, but I personally know people  
who would want to kill me if I use Policy for anything specific. :)

On Nov 30, 2007, at 3:22 AM, Marcin Owsiany wrote:
>>
>> I think I like Manifest best so far
>
> It''s going to be confusing :-/
>
>> I''ll do some thesaurus trawling to see what I can come up
with, but
>> are there any other recommendations?
>
> Basket
> Cart
>
> (mnemonic: you put stuff (i.e. resources) into a basket/cart when
> shopping (i.e. performing a transaction))
I like this direction, but I''m not exactly thrilled with the term.   
Are there interesting synonyms for these words we can use?  I''m  
especially looking for something that''s not likely to show up
elsewhere.

Another way to think of it is as a resource collection, btw.

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Luke Kanies wrote:
>> Basket
>> Cart
>>
>> (mnemonic: you put stuff (i.e. resources) into a basket/cart when
>> shopping (i.e. performing a transaction))
> 
> I like this direction, but I''m not exactly thrilled with the term.
> Are there interesting synonyms for these words we can use?  I''m  
> especially looking for something that''s not likely to show up
elsewhere.
> 
> Another way to think of it is as a resource collection, btw.
Some varying terms:

container
box
carton
coffer
packet
pack
sachet
catalogue
inventory
register

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On Nov 30, 2007, at 2:55 PM, James Turnbull wrote:
>
> Some varying terms:
>
> container
> box
> carton
> coffer
> packet
> pack
> sachet
> catalogue
> inventory
> register
I like ''inventory''.

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I have a case where I want an event to force an update on a few systems.
So, I''m trying to get puppet to exec puppetrun, but it is not working.

I can run the exact puppetrun command manually and it works. But when
puppet runs it, it claims it executed it successfully, but the remote
system is not triggered.

Is it possible for puppetd to exec puppetrun? Or do I have some other
issue?

    case $hostname {
        "admin4012": {$cmd = "puppetrun --host admin4001 --host
admin2001" }
        "admin1016": {$cmd = "puppetrun --host admin1001" }
    }
    if $cmd {
        exec { puppetrun:
            command => $cmd,
            path => ["/usr/bin", "/usr/sbin"],
            # Run if the file has changed in the last 20 minutes
            unless => "test $(expr `date +''%s''` -
`date +''%s'' -r
/etc/puppet/templates/aliases.erb`) -gt 1200"
         }
    }

Thanks,

Steven

Never mind.
For some reason the path is not sufficient. The full path must be part
of the command. Change the commands to "/usr/bin/puppetrun ..." then
it
works.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: puppet-users-bounces@madstop.com [mailto:puppet-users-
> bounces@madstop.com] On Behalf Of Steven Nemetz
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 4:03 PM
> To: Puppet User Discussion
> Subject: [Puppet-users] Is it possible for puppet to exec puppetrun?
> 
> I have a case where I want an event to force an update on a few
systems.
> So, I''m trying to get puppet to exec puppetrun, but it is not
working.
> 
> I can run the exact puppetrun command manually and it works. But when
> puppet runs it, it claims it executed it successfully, but the remote
> system is not triggered.
> 
> Is it possible for puppetd to exec puppetrun? Or do I have some other
> issue?
> 
>     case $hostname {
>         "admin4012": {$cmd = "puppetrun --host admin4001
--host
> admin2001" }
>         "admin1016": {$cmd = "puppetrun --host
admin1001" }
>     }
>     if $cmd {
>         exec { puppetrun:
>             command => $cmd,
>             path => ["/usr/bin", "/usr/sbin"],
>             # Run if the file has changed in the last 20 minutes
>             unless => "test $(expr `date +''%s''` -
`date +''%s'' -r
> /etc/puppet/templates/aliases.erb`) -gt 1200"
>          }
>     }
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steven

--On Friday, November 30, 2007 04:28:59 PM -0700 Luke Kanies 
<luke@madstop.com> wrote:
>> Some varying terms:
>>
>> container
>> box
>> carton
>> coffer
>> packet
>> pack
>> sachet
>> catalogue
>> inventory
>> register
>
> I like ''inventory''.
I like inventory.  Though the glossary of terms already has a catalog, 
defined as "the totality of resources, files, properties, etc, for a given 
system."
<http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/GlossaryOfTerms>
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On Dec 11, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Digant C Kasundra wrote:
> I like inventory.  Though the glossary of terms already has a catalog,
> defined as "the totality of resources, files, properties, etc, for  
> a given
> system."
> <http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/GlossaryOfTerms>
I decided to go with catalog rather than inventory.  I''m not entirely  
sure why, but I think I like it better.

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