So one of my coworkers is doing a little research on SSH usage in the wild using netflow data. One of the things he's trying to do is determine a way to differentiate between data transfers and interactive sessions. We thought of a couple of ways but we wanted to float them here and see if there are methods incorporated to defeat thi sort of traffic analysis. The first idea is to look at the average number of packets per second over the length of the flow. The idea is that a data transfer would have a significantly higher number of PPS than an interactive session. If we analyze few thousand ssh flows and build a histogram we expect to see two (or maybe 3 peaks) corresponding to various connection types. I think this probably has the best chance of statistically significant results. The second method would be to look at the packet size. The idea being that interactive packets would end up being significantly smaller than full size data packets. I know that some padding is used to protect against plaintext attacks according to the RFC but I didn't know if there was any additional padding on top of that to protect against traffic analysis. Are interactive packets coalesced or padded to the known MTU? I'm going to run some tcpdumps but I wanted to ask here as well. The other method would be to use packet arrival times but we only have flow data and putting a packet sniffer on 10G link is prohibitively expensive for work like this. Please note: If there aren't any countermeasures for this type of traffic analysis I'm not saying that is a problem at all. Knowing a flow is interactive versus a bulk data transfer really doesn't help out an attacker all that much. I'm just curious at this time and my coworker needs the data for a presentation to a center director here. Thanks for your time! Chris Rapier PSC