On a related note to my corrupt files issue, it seems that somethign is also different with openssh and fsecure ssh that breaks on of our scripts that does an apache restart or on a remote machine. It just does a restart using red hat package init script and smoetimes completely fails to execute. The problem is that it's only *sometimes*. Fsecure ssh work reliable. Any ideas on this? Thanks -jeremy eholes.org * jeremy at eholes.org ----------------------------------------- eholes have feelings too...