ogg dev - Apr 2008 - Ogg/Spots and Ogg/MNG

On 12/04/2008, Ivo Emanuel Gon?alves <justivo at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 4/11/08, Ivo Emanuel Gon?alves <justivo at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > > uuencode ^_^
>  >
>  > Hmm...
>
>  Yes!  A Vorbis Comment tag called ART or ALBUMART with a Base64 string
>  would do the trick and it would not choke existing players.
No, vorbiscomments are meant to be human-readable.

Conrad.

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Conrad Parker <conrad at metadecks.org>
wrote:
>  No, vorbiscomments are meant to be human-readable.
But I CAN read base64!

...

Seriously now, this is a good idea.  Just the right (if not perfect)
solution for this issue.  See, those players that can read Vorbis
Comments already limit what the user sees to the basic ones like
Artist, Album, Comment, Date, etc like this example here[1] does.
They would discard the ALBUMART tag, and voil?, the Vorbis Comments
would still be considered human-readable.

On the other hand, an application that would understand the tag would
translate it into an image, and the albumart people would be pleased.
Those who don't care about the tag won't even know it's there
because
applications will discard it, while those who do want it will know
it's there and they will be using applications that support it.

It's a win-win situation, with the added bonus that it wouldn't
require encapsulating images in a single stream Vorbis file.  After
all, Vorbis multiplexed with images is likely to break
non-libvorbis-based decoders since those don't expect muxed streams.
I know, because I have been testing around Vorbis+Skeleton files.

Rules are not set in stone.  We are supposed to bend them a little
when it's necessary and, truth be told, this is a very small
concession to please an audience.

-Ivo

Oops, forgot to link the example image.

Here it is,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Amarokplayingvorbis.png

We can move this thread to vorbis/vorbis-dev by the way, but let's
talk about this.  It's a simple solution that has potential to
"convert" a few more people into Vorbis.  And that can only be a good
thing.

-Ivo

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Conrad Parker <conrad at metadecks.org>
wrote:
> On 12/04/2008, Ivo Emanuel Gon?alves <justivo at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > On 4/11/08, Ivo Emanuel Gon?alves <justivo at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  > > uuencode ^_^
>  >  >
>  >  > Hmm...
>  >
>  >  Yes!  A Vorbis Comment tag called ART or ALBUMART with a Base64
string
>  >  would do the trick and it would not choke existing players.
>
>  No, vorbiscomments are meant to be human-readable.
My suggestion would be to include a URL in vorbiscomment for ALBUMART...

Silvia.

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Kyungjun Lee <kjoonlee at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>  <silviapfeiffer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  My suggestion would be to include a URL in vorbiscomment for
ALBUMART...
>  >
>  >  Silvia.
>
>  If the software is smart enough to read the URL, wouldn't it be smart
>  enough to search for a picture using ALBUM and ARTIST?
>
>  KJ
Even with putting the picture into vorbiscomment, the software would
need to be smart enough to uudecode the picture and display it. A url
is much simpler I believe.