I've noticed many people manually entering .. [[User:*|*]] on the talk pages to sign their contributions.. Just a friendly note that "--~~~~" is shorthand for your signature w/ timestamp. I just recently learned that, myself. In addition, I'd like to say how awesome our little community of hackers have been oven the past week. IRC, email, the lists, and the wiki have been abuzz with many of us hashing out different ideas and making them work together. Despite some of us having strong differences of opinion, we've all been pretty well mannered and overall respectful to each other, even when we don't agree. It's also great to see that we're able to debate and compromise without personal attachement to our arguments, something we really must always keep in mind to do as having a healthy, positive and cooperative community is more important than any one design decidion or code method. I've been feeling prowd to work with all of you, even when we don't agree :-) Now let's settling what few things we have left and get these codecs frozen! John needs to get these implemented by this week, after all... -- The recognition of individual possibility, to allow each to be what she and he can be, rests inherently upon the availability of knowledge; The perpetuation of ignorance is the beginning of slavery. from "Die Gedanken Sind Frei": Free Software and the Struggle for Free Thought by Eben Moglen, General council of the Free Software Foundation
> Now let's settling what few things we have left and get these codecs > frozen! > John needs to get these implemented by this week, after all...Maybe i've been reading a different mailing list, but i think it's more than a few cosmetic issues here. This is supposed to be a community after all... i think you need to stop acting like your opinions count for more than everyone elses or that you are any kind of expert in these areas, you are not doing anyone any favours. We have available people who know far more about these things than either you or me. There's no shame to listen to people who actually know what they are talking about once in a while. Yes... sorry to reply to your sickening post with something directly aimed at you, but it has to be said, and i'm not going to pussy-foot around it. Zen.
Arc wrote:> In addition, I'd like to say how awesome our little community of hackers have > been oven the past week. IRC, email, the lists, and the wiki have been abuzz > with many of us hashing out different ideas and making them work together.Are you in the same universe as me?> Despite some of us having strong differences of opinion, we've all been pretty > well mannered and overall respectful to each other, even when we don't agree.What part of "we have yet to find anyone who agrees with you" do you not understand?> It's also great to see that we're able to debate and compromise without personal > attachement to our arguments, something we really must always keep in mind to do > as having a healthy, positive and cooperative community is more important than > any one design decidion or code method.What part of "you are way under-qualified to design this thing" do you not understand?> I've been feeling prowd to work with all of you, even when we don't agree :-)Every time I read one of your emails I feel stupider than I was before. You have been shown to be wrong and/or ignorant of anything approaching reality time and time again. And yet you still refuse to listen.> Now let's settling what few things we have left and get these codecs frozen! > John needs to get these implemented by this week, after all...Designing according to some overly prematue deadline is a surefire way to produce utter crap. John if he's wise will find an alternative to OggPCM because this looks like a turkey. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." -- Vance Petree
----- Original Message ----- From: "Arc" <arc@Xiph.org> To: "illiminable" <ogg@illiminable.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [ogg-dev] wiki & our community> On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 04:53:46PM +0800, illiminable wrote: >> >> Yes... sorry to reply to your sickening post with something directly >> aimed >> at you, but it has to be said, and i'm not going to pussy-foot around it. > > This is your second warning in a week.I don't recall anyone giving me a warning. I do remember receiving a rant from you, about how you are somehow top-tier design guru here (quote:"You know as well as I do that within the group of people developing the overarching Ogg framework (namely, myself and Monty)") , and that (quote:"and thus the subject of FourCC labeling in OggStream's native video interchange formats is closed.") ... doesn't sound like community debate to me. Maybe i missed the meeting where you became god here. If you are going to make claims that you somehow are in charge here, please do it on the list. Zen.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 05:29:52PM +0800, illiminable wrote:> > (quote:"and thus the subject of FourCC labeling in OggStream's native video > interchange formats is closed.") > > ... doesn't sound like community debate to me. > > Maybe i missed the meeting where you became god here. If you are going to > make claims that you somehow are in charge here, please do it on the list.OggPCM and OggYUV are projects I initiated and maintain as a subset of the OggStream project. I opened them to feedback from the wider Xiph community, require that they be supported by the maintainers of other Xiph projects who will be effected by them, and seek a rough consensus among knowledgeable parties. However, I am setting guidelines for design decidions and, if a rough consensus cannot be reached between competing concepts, I am the one to make the end decidion regarding their design. Since you want to make a public display of your behavior, I'll be equally as public: your continued disrespectful behavior toward myself and, through displaying it in a public forum on lists.xiph.org, the Xiph community, must stop. I encourage you to provide technical input toward design decidions as long as you can do so respectfully, but do not continue your current behavior. -- The recognition of individual possibility, to allow each to be what she and he can be, rests inherently upon the availability of knowledge; The perpetuation of ignorance is the beginning of slavery. from "Die Gedanken Sind Frei": Free Software and the Struggle for Free Thought by Eben Moglen, General council of the Free Software Foundation