Nouveau - Nov 2018 - [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
>On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
><jarkko.sakkinen at linux.intel.com> wrote:
>>
>> In order to comply with the CoC, replace **** with a hug.
I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyone get offended by reading
technical comments? This is all beyond me...

Thanks,
Davidlohr

On 11/30/18 12:56 PM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
>> <jarkko.sakkinen at linux.intel.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In order to comply with the CoC, replace **** with a hug.
> 
> I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyone get offended by reading
> technical comments? This is all beyond me...
Agree, this is insanity.

-- 
Jens Axboe

From: Davidlohr Bueso <dave at stgolabs.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:56:52 -0800
> I hope this is some kind of joke.
Whether or not it is a joke, it is censorship.

And because of that I have no intention to apply any patches like this
to any code I am in charge of.

Am 01.12.2018 um 09:12 schrieb Jens Axboe:
> On 11/30/18 12:56 PM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
>>> <jarkko.sakkinen at linux.intel.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In order to comply with the CoC, replace **** with a hug.
>>
>> I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyone get offended by
reading
>> technical comments? This is all beyond me...
>
> Agree, this is insanity.
Irony? Parody?

That's what crossed my mind, to be brutally honest. Group hug, anyone?

For the VME vectors case: no need to hug, just don't mess with them.

Cheers,

	Michael

(Waiting for Adrian's ticket machines to swoop down and take me out now 
... in 24 hours ...)

From: Jens Axboe <axboe at kernel.dk>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:12:26 -0700
> On 11/30/18 12:56 PM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
>>> <jarkko.sakkinen at linux.intel.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In order to comply with the CoC, replace **** with a hug.
>> 
>> I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyone get offended by
reading
>> technical comments? This is all beyond me...
> 
> Agree, this is insanity.
And even worse it is censorship.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:56:52AM -0800, Davidlohr Bueso
wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> > <jarkko.sakkinen at linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > In order to comply with the CoC, replace **** with a hug.
> 
> I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyone get offended by reading
> technical comments? This is all beyond me...
Well... Not a joke really but more like conversation starter :-)

I had 10h flight from Amsterdam to Portland and one of the things that I
did was to read the new CoC properly.

This a direct quote from the CoC:

"Harassment includes the use of abusive, offensive or degrading
language, intimidation, stalking, harassing photography or recording,
inappropriate physical contact, sexual imagery and unwelcome sexual
advances or requests for sexual favors."

Doesn't this fall into this category?

Your argument is not that great because you could say that from any LKML
discussion. If you don't like hugging, please propose something else :-)

/Jarkko

On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 12:55 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen
wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:56:52AM -0800, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> > > <jarkko.sakkinen at linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > In order to comply with the CoC, replace **** with a hug.
> > 
> > I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyone get offended by
> > reading technical comments? This is all beyond me...
> 
> Well... Not a joke really but more like conversation starter :-)
> 
> I had 10h flight from Amsterdam to Portland and one of the things
> that I did was to read the new CoC properly.
> 
> This a direct quote from the CoC:
> 
> "Harassment includes the use of abusive, offensive or degrading
> language, intimidation, stalking, harassing photography or recording,
> inappropriate physical contact, sexual imagery and unwelcome sexual
> advances or requests for sexual favors."
> 
> Doesn't this fall into this category?
No because use of what some people consider to be bad language isn't
necessarily abusive, offensive or degrading.  Our most heavily censored
medium is TV and "fuck" is now considered acceptable in certain
contexts on most channels in the UK and EU.
> Your argument is not that great because you could say that from any
> LKML discussion. If you don't like hugging, please propose something
> else
> :-)
The interpretation document also says this:

   ontributions submitted for the kernel should use appropriate
   language. Content that already exists predating the Code of Conduct
   will not be addressed now as a violation.

So that definitely means there should be no hunting down of existing
comments in kernel code.

James

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:55:21 -0800
Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen at linux.intel.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:56:52AM -0800, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
> >   
> > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> > > <jarkko.sakkinen at linux.intel.com> wrote:  
> > > > 
> > > > In order to comply with the CoC, replace **** with a hug.  
> > 
> > I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyone get offended by
reading
> > technical comments? This is all beyond me...  
> 
> Well... Not a joke really but more like conversation starter :-)
> 
> I had 10h flight from Amsterdam to Portland and one of the things that I
> did was to read the new CoC properly.
> 
> This a direct quote from the CoC:
> 
> "Harassment includes the use of abusive, offensive or degrading
> language, intimidation, stalking, harassing photography or recording,
> inappropriate physical contact, sexual imagery and unwelcome sexual
> advances or requests for sexual favors."
> 
> Doesn't this fall into this category?
>
It has also been discussed that existing code (and past conduct) will
not be covered under the CoC. It's about new code and conduct moving
forward.

-- Steve

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:55:21 -0800
Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen at linux.intel.com> wrote:
> This a direct quote from the CoC:
> 
> "Harassment includes the use of abusive, offensive or degrading
> language, intimidation, stalking, harassing photography or recording,
> inappropriate physical contact, sexual imagery and unwelcome sexual
> advances or requests for sexual favors."
...and this is from the interpretation document:
> Contributions submitted for the kernel should use appropriate language.
> Content that already exists predating the Code of Conduct will not be
> addressed now as a violation.
So existing code is explicitly not a CoC violation and need not be
treated as such.  That said, improvements to the comments are always
welcome, as long as they are actually improvements.

Thanks,

jon