On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 15:06, Joerg Sonnenberger via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:> I also see little evidence that it would fix the problem of someone > having too much time on their hand and wants to be a nuisance.AFAICS, this is not the problem. The nicks are clearly randomly generated by smashing words together and the content seems to be what comes out of a language model after reading angry Facebook posts. Registering is quick and easy and would filter 99% of the automated accounts. Not 100% and not the people with too much time in their hands. But those, nothing will. It's like a bicycle lock: the bigger your lock, the more likely the thief will steal someone else's bike. But someone wanting *your* bike will take it, no matter the lock.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 7:27 AM Renato Golin via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:> > On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 15:06, Joerg Sonnenberger via llvm-dev > <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > > I also see little evidence that it would fix the problem of someone > > having too much time on their hand and wants to be a nuisance. > > AFAICS, this is not the problem. > > The nicks are clearly randomly generated by smashing words together > and the content seems to be what comes out of a language model after > reading angry Facebook posts.Perhaps, though I've seen them responding to people (not that that rules out AI), etc. I'm with Joerg and Erich - I believe it's an actual person. I actually saw them respond to a query yesterday - the person seemed to get the answer they were looking through (reading between the lines/etc of the strained grammar of this spammer person), and their understanding/conclusion wasn't wrong & left before I could clarify/provide further context - I worry about that happening more regularly. Either this person scaring people off, and/or giving them confusing/problematic advice, etc.> Registering is quick and easy and would filter 99% of the automated > accounts. Not 100% and not the people with too much time in their > hands.Yep - having to create a new email address/verify it/etc does add some friction (for intended and unintended users of course) - discord and the like have far more incentive & resources to implement anti-spam functionality than IRC does, unfortunately.> But those, nothing will. > > It's like a bicycle lock: the bigger your lock, the more likely the > thief will steal someone else's bike. But someone wanting *your* bike > will take it, no matter the lock. > _______________________________________________ > LLVM Developers mailing list > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 17:35, David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com> wrote:> Perhaps, though I've seen them responding to people (not that that > rules out AI), etc. I'm with Joerg and Erich - I believe it's an > actual person.Yeah, saw it now, too. Sigh...
On 06/16/2020 07:27 AM, Renato Golin via llvm-dev wrote:> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 15:06, Joerg Sonnenberger via llvm-dev > <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: >> I also see little evidence that it would fix the problem of someone >> having too much time on their hand and wants to be a nuisance. > > AFAICS, this is not the problem. > > The nicks are clearly randomly generated by smashing words together > and the content seems to be what comes out of a language model after > reading angry Facebook posts. > > Registering is quick and easy and would filter 99% of the automated > accounts. Not 100% and not the people with too much time in their > hands. But those, nothing will. > > It's like a bicycle lock: the bigger your lock, the more likely the > thief will steal someone else's bike. But someone wanting *your* bike > will take it, no matter the lock.I'm fairly certain that this is the same person that has been spamming the #dri-devel and #radeon channels on freenode for years. The pattern of comments is they same and I've seen them mention people in comments on #llvm who only join those other channels. #dri-devel requires users to identify with the server and also uses extbans, but that hasn't really helped. I'm not sure how to solve this, but I think having more ops (spread across all timezones) would help. -Tom> _______________________________________________ > LLVM Developers mailing list > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev >
I'll comment from the perspective of someone that is in the Mesa, #dri-devel, #radeon channels myself and have watched their behaviour over the years. This is a real person that spams a load of information into a channel about their understanding of how hardware works. I have no idea what their goal is for spamming this information, could be some desire for acceptance from perceived smartness. Or something as simple as wanting to be hired for their "brilliance". Hard to tell. A major issue with their personality is that they will retaliate against anyone that tries to stop their ranting, and they become hostile with their phrasing very quickly because of it. Just check the logs for them retaliating against anyone that has kickbanned them. Another issue is that depending on their mood of the day, they may be entirely lost to any form of reasoning, which makes it difficult for any communication. So just to reiterate, they are a real person but are difficult to deal with. On that note, they aren't completely impossible to work with in some cases, it just might require accepting getting attacked for a few weeks. I'm a channel operator in one of the Mesa related IRC channels and have had success in communicating with them that their behaviour is not conducive to the environment that we were attempting to create in the channel. This took a bit of coaxing on their "good" days, and communicating with them while being attacked for around a month on end. At the end of this month-long attack and communication I was able to get them to understand that they aren't welcome to the channel. They no longer enter the channel that I moderate; I managed to get through to them on some level at least. Sadly this sort of baby sitting of a user shouldn't be required and requiring some thick skin to get through their harsh comments is difficult. More moderation will "work" but while they are rampaging, you're going to still have to watch the channel and you'll get a few lines of harassing text while an op takes a bit of time to see them (and sometimes even perceive them, on "good" days they make comments that make some sense initially). On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:03 PM Tom Stellard via llvm-dev < llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:> On 06/16/2020 07:27 AM, Renato Golin via llvm-dev wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 15:06, Joerg Sonnenberger via llvm-dev > > <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > >> I also see little evidence that it would fix the problem of someone > >> having too much time on their hand and wants to be a nuisance. > > > > AFAICS, this is not the problem. > > > > The nicks are clearly randomly generated by smashing words together > > and the content seems to be what comes out of a language model after > > reading angry Facebook posts. > > > > Registering is quick and easy and would filter 99% of the automated > > accounts. Not 100% and not the people with too much time in their > > hands. But those, nothing will. > > > > It's like a bicycle lock: the bigger your lock, the more likely the > > thief will steal someone else's bike. But someone wanting *your* bike > > will take it, no matter the lock. > > I'm fairly certain that this is the same person that has been spamming > the #dri-devel and #radeon channels on freenode for years. The pattern > of comments is they same and I've seen them mention people in comments on > #llvm who only join those other channels. #dri-devel requires users to > identify > with the server and also uses extbans, but that hasn't really helped. > > I'm not sure how to solve this, but I think having more ops > (spread across all timezones) would help. > > -Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > > LLVM Developers mailing list > > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > > https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > LLVM Developers mailing list > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20200625/7a3cb1e9/attachment.html>