llvm dev - Jul 2015 - [LLVMdev] IC profiling infrastructure

> Xinliang David Li <davidxl at google.com> writes:
>> Justin, thanks for the reply.
>> I would like to point out that value_kind is actually not really stored
in the raw profile data (nor do we intend to do so), other than the
minimal information about per value kind  NumOfSites info in
per-function profile header. Basically the data is organized per value
kind instead of stored intermixed. That is about it.
>> More replies below.
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Justin Bogner <mail at
justinbogner.com>
> wrote:
>>> I still have some issues with what we're doing with value_kind
here.
> Let
>>> me summarize the arguments I've heard for including the
value_kind in
various places in this set of changes:
>>> 1. We would like to be able to enable multiple types of value
profiling
>>>    at the same time.
>>> 1a. We would like to be able to selectively use only particular
value
>>>     kinds from a particular profile.
>>> 1b. We would like to be able to combine profiles with different
sets
of
>>>     profiling options enabled.
>> yes.
>>> 2. We will need to know the value kind in order to parse the raw
> profile
>>>    data.
>> Yes -- but we don't need to store value kind in order to do that --
we
simply need to organize the profile data more
structurally.
>>> 3. We'd like to avoid needing to change the .profdata format
when we
> add
>>>    new value kinds, since it needs to stay backwards compatible.
>>> 4. The frontend work is simpler if the value kind is explicitly
> encoded.
>>> There are a couple of these points that certainly need to be
addressed,
>>> and some that are a little bit less clear.
>>> A. We do need to handle (1) in some way, but the issue can be
stated a
>>>    little bit more generally. If there are optional parts of the
> profile
>>>    data, we definitely need to know which options are enabled.
>>> B. (1a) is only an issue if you believe (4). This might be true or
it
> might
>>>    not, and I don't think we can make an informed decision
until we're
actually using multiple value kinds. For now there's just a bunch
of
>>>    code that's effectively useless - "if value kind is 2,
do nothing".
> I'm
>>>    opposed to adding this kind of practically unreachable code
"just
in
>>>    case". It adds a kind of complexity and premature
generality that,
> in my
>>>    experience, will have to be completely re-done when we get to
> actually
>>>    generalizing the code.
>> In terms of value profiling code, there is no need for the check you
mentioned "if value kind is ..." at all, but 'attached' to the
codegen
code for language construct of interests, for instance,
>> ... CodeGenFunction::EmitCall(...)
>> {
>>     if (enable_indirect_profile) {
>>            ....profileIndirectCall();     // does both instrumentation
>> and profile annotation depending on the context.
>>     }
>>    ...
>> }
>> Organizing the profile data according value profile kind allows profile
data to be independently loaded and used:
>> .. CodeGenPGO::assignRegionCounters (...) {
>>    if (enable_indirect_profile) {
>>      loadValueProfile(VK_indirect_call);
>>    }
>>    if (enable_xxx_profile) {
>>     loadXXXProfile(VK_xxx);
>>   }
>> }
>> if  we end up with inter-mixing all value kind profile data, we will
have to load all value profile data into memory regardless of the
option specified.   It also makes the profile data uses really hard --
how do we easily match the value profile site with the profile data
counter index if profile kinds are selectively enabled?
>> Besides, in the profile-use pass, each value kind's in-memory
format of
profile data may be slightly different, so the loader will have to do
different things ..
>>> C. (1b) is an interesting one. Is this actually a useful feature?
If
we
>>>    want to combine multiple profiles with different subsets of
> profiling
>>>    turned on, then we definitely need the information recorded
somewhere.
>> I think it is a good flexibility to have.
>>> D. I have issues with (2). If the different value kinds actually
have
>>>    different structures and need to be read in / interpreted
>>>    differently, then writing the support for them now simply
won't work.
>> We choose to have very compact form representing the raw value data for
all value kinds, but to support efficient use of value profile of
different kinds, the raw profile reader has to do something different
here. For instance, indirect call profile data needs the translation of
the raw address which other value kinds do not care.  I think this is
something we can do without.
>>>    We're reading them in as if they're interpreted in the
exact same
way as the indirect call profiling - if they aren't, then we have
to rewrite this code when we add a new one anyway. What's the point
of writing code that won't actually work when we try to
use
> it?
>> I don't think this would be a problem as adding a new kind requires
client/use side change too, otherwise we won't be able to use
it.
> This is exactly my point. Why are we writing code *now* to read values
that we have no way of using? This code *cannot* be tested, because it
doesn't do anything. It adds a bunch of loops to iterate over values
that *must* be zero, because if they aren't we don't actually know what
they mean.
> The compiler-rt patches I've seen so far have all treated each value
kind as if it should be treated identically to indirect call target, and
had extra complexity so that they could do this, but you've stated
multiple times that this won't actually be correct when we use it. We
should write the raw profile writer and reader code to do exactly what
we need it to do today. We can and will change it when we want to add
new functionality.

Hi Justin,

Is value_kind the only holding factor keeping these CL's from merging in?
If so, then I'm willing to do the change i.e. the writer and reader to do
exactly what IC profiling needs, as we'd like to have this effort
upstream. This will remove value_kind enum field from the source for now.
The downside would be that the same enum will get reintroduced once new
value types are added in, and hence newer format updates to the indexed
readers.

If all are willing to accept the code in this way, I'll go ahead and take
out the value_kind field. David, any objections?

Thanks,
-Betul
>>> E. There is value in dealing with (3) as long as we're
confident that
> we
>>>    can get it right. If we're pretty confident that the value
profile
data structure we're encoding in the .profdata file is going to
work
>>>    for multiple value profile kinds, then it makes sense to allow
multiple of them and encode which kinds they are. David, is
"InstrProfValueRecord" in Betul's current patches going to work to
record the other types of value profiling information
you're
> planning
>>>    on looking at?
>> The raw profile format is certainly good for other kinds.
> I'm not talking about the raw profile format here. This point is about
the stable, indexed format (.profdata, not .profraw). We have no need to
keep the raw profile format backwards compatible, but we do need to keep
readers for old indexed format files.
>> InstrProfValueRecord is mostly there (for instance overloading the Name
field for other purpose, but this is minor and can be done as follow up
when support of other kinds are added), so I am ok to leave it as it is
now.
> What do you mean? What do you expect this structure to look like for
other value kinds? Will we need to change the serialized format for the
indexed profile format?
> There are two possibilities. Either:
> 1. This serialized format is sufficient for other value kinds, so it is
>    valuable to encode it in the indexed profile format now, because this
will avoid needing to change that format later.
> Or,
> 2. This is likely not how other value kinds will need to be serialized,
>    so we're going to need to change the format later either way. In
this
case, we should just solve the problem we have *today*, rather than
making changes we'll need to undo later.
> I think that given the uncertainty about what the future value kinds'
formats will be, we should encode this in a way where it's obvious what
the extra data is for (we'll specify a kind in the data), but without
trying to accomodate future value kinds until we're ready to talk about
them concretely.
> I'll go into more detail about this in my review for the indexed
profile
reader and writer patch, which I should be able to get to
tomorrow.
>>> I'd also like to point out that the instrprof parts of LLVM try
to be
relatively frontend agnostic. We should strive to keep it such that
the
>>> frontend is the piece that decides what a particular profiling kind
means if possible, as long as the structure and way the data is
laid
> out
>>> is suitable. This doesn't affect the current work very much,
but it's
a
>>> good idea to keep it in mind.
>> yes. See the above -- FE code does not really need to care about the
> format.
>>> So, with all of that said, I have a couple of suggestions on how to
> move
>>> forward.
>>> - I don't think we should store the kind in the raw profile
yet. Let's
>>>   keep this simple, since it's easy to change and will be
easier to
get
>>>   right when we're implementing or experimenting with a second
kind
(based on (D)).
>> See my reply above -- we don't really store the value kind in raw
profile, but we need to organize the profile data according to the kind
in order to process (read) and use (profile-use) them
>> efficiently.
> The only reader of the raw profile is the tool that converts it to the
indexed format, which is what profile-use consumes. The read will always
read the entire file in a streaming fashion, and efficiently reading
parts of the file is not important. We then write this to the indexed
format, which needs to be efficiently readable.
>>> - Assuming the answer to my question in (E) is "yes",
let's go ahead
> and
>>>   include a value kind for the value records in the .profdata
format.
>> yes.
>>>I
>>>   don't really like the current approach of an array of
std::vectors,
because I think we can do this more simply. I'll bring that up on
the
>>>   review thread.
>>> - In clang, we should error if we see value kinds we don't
understand
>>>   yet.
>> yes.
>>> I think that this addresses the short term concerns without forcing
us
to write unreachable/untestable code that may or may not work for the
longer term concerns. It minimally handles (A ) in that the data
that
> is
>>> there implies which features are being used, puts off (B) without
> making
>>> it harder to deal with when the time comes, allows us to implement
(C)
without much trouble if we want it, avoids doing work that could cause
problems with (D), and handles (E) since avoiding it would mean more
work later.
>>> What do you think?
>> See my reply above. For now, I think the things we need to organize the
value profile data in raw profile according to kind (not storing) -- I
think it will handle all the cases where you have concerns.
thanks,
>> David
>>> Xinliang David Li <davidxl at google.com> writes:
>>>> Justin, do you have more concerns on keeping value_kind?
>>>> If there is still disagreement, can we agree to move on with it
for
now ?  After the initial version of the patches checked in, we can do
more serious testings with large apps and revisit this if there are
problems discovered.
>>>> thanks,
>>>> David
>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Xinliang David Li
>>>> <davidxl at google.com> wrote:
>>>>>> But since the consumer is the frontend, and it knows
which counts
> are
>>>>>> which, it knows the kind, no? I don't understand
how storing the
> kind
>>>>>> info helps or hurts - it's just redundant.
>>>>> Yes, the frontend consumer knows, but the raw reader does
not. It is
natural to do those processing when processing the raw profile data
(for instance when function pointer to name mapping still
exists).
>>>>>>>> The other thing we should do is store which
profiling options are
enabled, in both formats. When we specify profile-instr-use
it'll
> be
>>>>>>>> less error prone if we can detect whether or
not this includes
> indirect
>>>>>>>> call profiling without checking other options,
and it's probably
a
> good
>>>>>>>> idea for "llvm-profdata merge" to
disallow merging profiles that
> are
>>>>>>>> gathering different sets of data. A bitfield
seems suitable for
> this.
>>>>>>> For value profiling, allowing profile-gen and
profile-use passes
> using
>>>>>>> different options is a useful feature. Consider the
following
scenarios:
>>>>>>> 1) collect the same profile data once with all
kinds of value
> profile
>>>>>>>    data collected. The exact same profile data can
be used in
> performance
>>>>>>>    experiments with different kinds of value
profiling
> enabled/disabled
>>>>>> This use case is pretty easy to accomodate for with the
model where
> the
>>>>>> profile stores its type. We could autodetect the type
to decide how
> to
>>>>>> interpret the profile, and if more specific profile
flags are set
> simply
>>>>>> ignore some of the data. The thing that the file format
storing the
> type
>>>>>> gives us is that it's harder to misinterpret the
data by supplying
> the
>>>>>> mismatching flags between reading and writing.
>>>>> Yes, this is achievable with some extra effort -- for
instance by
collecting the profile sites of all kinds regardless of the flags.
After profiling matching, simply drop selected sites according to
the
>>>>> flags.
>>>>> This adds complexity of the code. With value kinds encoded
in
profile
>>>>> data, the handling is much simpler -- each value profiler
only needs
to deal with its own kind.
>>>>>>> 2) work around profile-use/value transformation bug
selectively
for
>>>>>>>    some file without the need to change anything in
instrumentation
> pass
>>>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean here.
>>>>> Similar to the above, but for correctness.
>>>>>>> Besides, with the latest patch, the value_kind is
not recorded in
> each
>>>>>>> profile value thus the overhead is minimized.
>>>>>> The overhead is low, sure, but the code complexity of
dealing with
> the
>>>>>> multiple kinds in this way is quite real.
>>>>> I actually believe having value-kind can help reduce code
complexity
instead of the other way around. What is the extra complexity?
thanks,
>>>>> David
>>>>>>Since I'm not convinced we're
>>>>>> getting real benefit from storing the kind, I don't
believe this
trade-off is worth it.
>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>> David

Any decision on below? Is everyone OK w/ removing the value_kind and keeping
the raw profile writer and reader code to do exactly what we need it to do
today. Justin, if you agree, I'll make/upload the changes to right away?

Thanks,
-Betul
-----Original Message-----
From: Betul Buyukkurt [mailto:betulb at codeaurora.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 4:18 PM
To: Justin Bogner
Cc: Xinliang David Li; Betul Buyukkurt; llvmdev
Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] IC profiling infrastructure
> Xinliang David Li <davidxl at google.com> writes:
>> Justin, thanks for the reply.
>> I would like to point out that value_kind is actually not really 
>> stored
in the raw profile data (nor do we intend to do so), other than the minimal
information about per value kind  NumOfSites info in per-function profile
header. Basically the data is organized per value kind instead of stored
intermixed. That is about it.
>> More replies below.
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Justin Bogner 
>> <mail at justinbogner.com>
> wrote:
>>> I still have some issues with what we're doing with value_kind
here.
> Let
>>> me summarize the arguments I've heard for including the
value_kind
>>> in
various places in this set of changes:
>>> 1. We would like to be able to enable multiple types of value
profiling
>>>    at the same time.
>>> 1a. We would like to be able to selectively use only particular
value
>>>     kinds from a particular profile.
>>> 1b. We would like to be able to combine profiles with different
sets
of
>>>     profiling options enabled.
>> yes.
>>> 2. We will need to know the value kind in order to parse the raw
> profile
>>>    data.
>> Yes -- but we don't need to store value kind in order to do that --
>> we
simply need to organize the profile data more
structurally.
>>> 3. We'd like to avoid needing to change the .profdata format
when we
> add
>>>    new value kinds, since it needs to stay backwards compatible.
>>> 4. The frontend work is simpler if the value kind is explicitly
> encoded.
>>> There are a couple of these points that certainly need to be
addressed,
>>> and some that are a little bit less clear.
>>> A. We do need to handle (1) in some way, but the issue can be
stated a
>>>    little bit more generally. If there are optional parts of the
> profile
>>>    data, we definitely need to know which options are enabled.
>>> B. (1a) is only an issue if you believe (4). This might be true or 
>>> it
> might
>>>    not, and I don't think we can make an informed decision
until
>>> we're
actually using multiple value kinds. For now there's just a bunch
of
>>>    code that's effectively useless - "if value kind is 2,
do nothing".
> I'm
>>>    opposed to adding this kind of practically unreachable code
"just
in
>>>    case". It adds a kind of complexity and premature
generality
>>> that,
> in my
>>>    experience, will have to be completely re-done when we get to
> actually
>>>    generalizing the code.
>> In terms of value profiling code, there is no need for the check you
mentioned "if value kind is ..." at all, but 'attached' to the
codegen code
for language construct of interests, for instance,
>> ... CodeGenFunction::EmitCall(...)
>> {
>>     if (enable_indirect_profile) {
>>            ....profileIndirectCall();     // does both instrumentation
>> and profile annotation depending on the context.
>>     }
>>    ...
>> }
>> Organizing the profile data according value profile kind allows 
>> profile
data to be independently loaded and used:
>> .. CodeGenPGO::assignRegionCounters (...) {
>>    if (enable_indirect_profile) {
>>      loadValueProfile(VK_indirect_call);
>>    }
>>    if (enable_xxx_profile) {
>>     loadXXXProfile(VK_xxx);
>>   }
>> }
>> if  we end up with inter-mixing all value kind profile data, we will
have to load all value profile data into memory regardless of the
option specified.   It also makes the profile data uses really hard --
how do we easily match the value profile site with the profile data counter
index if profile kinds are selectively enabled?
>> Besides, in the profile-use pass, each value kind's in-memory
format
>> of
profile data may be slightly different, so the loader will have to do
different things ..
>>> C. (1b) is an interesting one. Is this actually a useful feature?
If
we
>>>    want to combine multiple profiles with different subsets of
> profiling
>>>    turned on, then we definitely need the information recorded
somewhere.
>> I think it is a good flexibility to have.
>>> D. I have issues with (2). If the different value kinds actually
have
>>>    different structures and need to be read in / interpreted
>>>    differently, then writing the support for them now simply
won't work.
>> We choose to have very compact form representing the raw value data 
>> for
all value kinds, but to support efficient use of value profile of different
kinds, the raw profile reader has to do something different here. For
instance, indirect call profile data needs the translation of the raw
address which other value kinds do not care.  I think this is something we
can do without.
>>>    We're reading them in as if they're interpreted in the
exact same
way as the indirect call profiling - if they aren't, then we have to rewrite
this code when we add a new one anyway. What's the point of writing code
that won't actually work when we try to use
> it?
>> I don't think this would be a problem as adding a new kind requires
client/use side change too, otherwise we won't be able to use
it.
> This is exactly my point. Why are we writing code *now* to read values
that we have no way of using? This code *cannot* be tested, because it
doesn't do anything. It adds a bunch of loops to iterate over values that
*must* be zero, because if they aren't we don't actually know what they
mean.
> The compiler-rt patches I've seen so far have all treated each value
kind as if it should be treated identically to indirect call target, and had
extra complexity so that they could do this, but you've stated multiple
times that this won't actually be correct when we use it. We should write
the raw profile writer and reader code to do exactly what we need it to do
today. We can and will change it when we want to add new functionality.

Hi Justin,

Is value_kind the only holding factor keeping these CL's from merging in?
If so, then I'm willing to do the change i.e. the writer and reader to do
exactly what IC profiling needs, as we'd like to have this effort upstream.
This will remove value_kind enum field from the source for now.
The downside would be that the same enum will get reintroduced once new
value types are added in, and hence newer format updates to the indexed
readers.

If all are willing to accept the code in this way, I'll go ahead and take
out the value_kind field. David, any objections?

Thanks,
-Betul
>>> E. There is value in dealing with (3) as long as we're
confident
>>> that
> we
>>>    can get it right. If we're pretty confident that the value 
>>> profile
data structure we're encoding in the .profdata file is going to
work
>>>    for multiple value profile kinds, then it makes sense to allow
multiple of them and encode which kinds they are. David, is
"InstrProfValueRecord" in Betul's current patches going to work to
record
the other types of value profiling information
you're
> planning
>>>    on looking at?
>> The raw profile format is certainly good for other kinds.
> I'm not talking about the raw profile format here. This point is about
the stable, indexed format (.profdata, not .profraw). We have no need to
keep the raw profile format backwards compatible, but we do need to keep
readers for old indexed format files.
>> InstrProfValueRecord is mostly there (for instance overloading the 
>> Name
field for other purpose, but this is minor and can be done as follow up when
support of other kinds are added), so I am ok to leave it as it is
now.
> What do you mean? What do you expect this structure to look like for
other value kinds? Will we need to change the serialized format for the
indexed profile format?
> There are two possibilities. Either:
> 1. This serialized format is sufficient for other value kinds, so it is
>    valuable to encode it in the indexed profile format now, because 
> this
will avoid needing to change that format later.
> Or,
> 2. This is likely not how other value kinds will need to be serialized,
>    so we're going to need to change the format later either way. In 
> this
case, we should just solve the problem we have *today*, rather than making
changes we'll need to undo later.
> I think that given the uncertainty about what the future value kinds'
formats will be, we should encode this in a way where it's obvious what the
extra data is for (we'll specify a kind in the data), but without trying to
accomodate future value kinds until we're ready to talk about them
concretely.
> I'll go into more detail about this in my review for the indexed 
> profile
reader and writer patch, which I should be able to get to
tomorrow.
>>> I'd also like to point out that the instrprof parts of LLVM try
to
>>> be
relatively frontend agnostic. We should strive to keep it such that
the
>>> frontend is the piece that decides what a particular profiling kind
means if possible, as long as the structure and way the data is
laid
> out
>>> is suitable. This doesn't affect the current work very much,
but
>>> it's
a
>>> good idea to keep it in mind.
>> yes. See the above -- FE code does not really need to care about the
> format.
>>> So, with all of that said, I have a couple of suggestions on how to
> move
>>> forward.
>>> - I don't think we should store the kind in the raw profile
yet. Let's
>>>   keep this simple, since it's easy to change and will be
easier to
get
>>>   right when we're implementing or experimenting with a second
kind
(based on (D)).
>> See my reply above -- we don't really store the value kind in raw
profile, but we need to organize the profile data according to the kind in
order to process (read) and use (profile-use) them
>> efficiently.
> The only reader of the raw profile is the tool that converts it to the
indexed format, which is what profile-use consumes. The read will always
read the entire file in a streaming fashion, and efficiently reading parts
of the file is not important. We then write this to the indexed format,
which needs to be efficiently readable.
>>> - Assuming the answer to my question in (E) is "yes",
let's go ahead
> and
>>>   include a value kind for the value records in the .profdata
format.
>> yes.
>>>I
>>>   don't really like the current approach of an array of 
>>>std::vectors,
because I think we can do this more simply. I'll bring that up on
the
>>>   review thread.
>>> - In clang, we should error if we see value kinds we don't
understand
>>>   yet.
>> yes.
>>> I think that this addresses the short term concerns without forcing
>>> us
to write unreachable/untestable code that may or may not work for the longer
term concerns. It minimally handles (A ) in that the data
that
> is
>>> there implies which features are being used, puts off (B) without
> making
>>> it harder to deal with when the time comes, allows us to implement 
>>> (C)
without much trouble if we want it, avoids doing work that could cause
problems with (D), and handles (E) since avoiding it would mean more work
later.
>>> What do you think?
>> See my reply above. For now, I think the things we need to organize 
>> the
value profile data in raw profile according to kind (not storing) -- I think
it will handle all the cases where you have concerns.
thanks,
>> David
>>> Xinliang David Li <davidxl at google.com> writes:
>>>> Justin, do you have more concerns on keeping value_kind?
>>>> If there is still disagreement, can we agree to move on with it
for
now ?  After the initial version of the patches checked in, we can do more
serious testings with large apps and revisit this if there are problems
discovered.
>>>> thanks,
>>>> David
>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Xinliang David Li 
>>>> <davidxl at google.com> wrote:
>>>>>> But since the consumer is the frontend, and it knows
which counts
> are
>>>>>> which, it knows the kind, no? I don't understand
how storing the
> kind
>>>>>> info helps or hurts - it's just redundant.
>>>>> Yes, the frontend consumer knows, but the raw reader does
not. It
>>>>> is
natural to do those processing when processing the raw profile data (for
instance when function pointer to name mapping still
exists).
>>>>>>>> The other thing we should do is store which
profiling options
>>>>>>>> are
enabled, in both formats. When we specify profile-instr-use
it'll
> be
>>>>>>>> less error prone if we can detect whether or
not this includes
> indirect
>>>>>>>> call profiling without checking other options,
and it's
>>>>>>>> probably
a
> good
>>>>>>>> idea for "llvm-profdata merge" to
disallow merging profiles
>>>>>>>> that
> are
>>>>>>>> gathering different sets of data. A bitfield
seems suitable for
> this.
>>>>>>> For value profiling, allowing profile-gen and
profile-use passes
> using
>>>>>>> different options is a useful feature. Consider the
following
scenarios:
>>>>>>> 1) collect the same profile data once with all
kinds of value
> profile
>>>>>>>    data collected. The exact same profile data can
be used in
> performance
>>>>>>>    experiments with different kinds of value
profiling
> enabled/disabled
>>>>>> This use case is pretty easy to accomodate for with the
model
>>>>>> where
> the
>>>>>> profile stores its type. We could autodetect the type
to decide
>>>>>> how
> to
>>>>>> interpret the profile, and if more specific profile
flags are set
> simply
>>>>>> ignore some of the data. The thing that the file format
storing
>>>>>> the
> type
>>>>>> gives us is that it's harder to misinterpret the
data by
>>>>>> supplying
> the
>>>>>> mismatching flags between reading and writing.
>>>>> Yes, this is achievable with some extra effort -- for
instance by
collecting the profile sites of all kinds regardless of the flags.
After profiling matching, simply drop selected sites according to
the
>>>>> flags.
>>>>> This adds complexity of the code. With value kinds encoded
in
profile
>>>>> data, the handling is much simpler -- each value profiler
only
>>>>> needs
to deal with its own kind.
>>>>>>> 2) work around profile-use/value transformation bug
selectively
for
>>>>>>>    some file without the need to change anything in
instrumentation
> pass
>>>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean here.
>>>>> Similar to the above, but for correctness.
>>>>>>> Besides, with the latest patch, the value_kind is
not recorded
>>>>>>> in
> each
>>>>>>> profile value thus the overhead is minimized.
>>>>>> The overhead is low, sure, but the code complexity of
dealing
>>>>>> with
> the
>>>>>> multiple kinds in this way is quite real.
>>>>> I actually believe having value-kind can help reduce code 
>>>>> complexity
instead of the other way around. What is the extra complexity?
thanks,
>>>>> David
>>>>>>Since I'm not convinced we're
>>>>>> getting real benefit from storing the kind, I don't
believe this
trade-off is worth it.
>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>> David

My suggestion:

1. Keep the value kind enum, but remove the reserved kinds
2. In compiler-rt code, assert the kind to be icalltarget and remove the
loop
3. Keep the indexed format (as is now)
4. Add assertion in profile use that icalltarget is the only expected kind.

Justin, does this sound reasonable?

David
On Jul 2, 2015 1:10 PM, "Betul Buyukkurt" <betulb at
codeaurora.org> wrote:
> Any decision on below? Is everyone OK w/ removing the value_kind and
> keeping
> the raw profile writer and reader code to do exactly what we need it to do
> today. Justin, if you agree, I'll make/upload the changes to right
away?
>
> Thanks,
> -Betul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Betul Buyukkurt [mailto:betulb at codeaurora.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 4:18 PM
> To: Justin Bogner
> Cc: Xinliang David Li; Betul Buyukkurt; llvmdev
> Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] IC profiling infrastructure
>
> > Xinliang David Li <davidxl at google.com> writes:
> >> Justin, thanks for the reply.
> >> I would like to point out that value_kind is actually not really
> >> stored
> in the raw profile data (nor do we intend to do so), other than the minimal
> information about per value kind  NumOfSites info in per-function profile
> header. Basically the data is organized per value kind instead of stored
> intermixed. That is about it.
> >> More replies below.
> >> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Justin Bogner
> >> <mail at justinbogner.com>
> > wrote:
> >>> I still have some issues with what we're doing with
value_kind here.
> > Let
> >>> me summarize the arguments I've heard for including the
value_kind
> >>> in
> various places in this set of changes:
> >>> 1. We would like to be able to enable multiple types of value
> profiling
> >>>    at the same time.
> >>> 1a. We would like to be able to selectively use only
particular value
> >>>     kinds from a particular profile.
> >>> 1b. We would like to be able to combine profiles with
different sets
> of
> >>>     profiling options enabled.
> >> yes.
> >>> 2. We will need to know the value kind in order to parse the
raw
> > profile
> >>>    data.
> >> Yes -- but we don't need to store value kind in order to do
that --
> >> we
> simply need to organize the profile data more structurally.
> >>> 3. We'd like to avoid needing to change the .profdata
format when we
> > add
> >>>    new value kinds, since it needs to stay backwards
compatible.
> >>> 4. The frontend work is simpler if the value kind is
explicitly
> > encoded.
> >>> There are a couple of these points that certainly need to be
> addressed,
> >>> and some that are a little bit less clear.
> >>> A. We do need to handle (1) in some way, but the issue can be
stated a
> >>>    little bit more generally. If there are optional parts of
the
> > profile
> >>>    data, we definitely need to know which options are enabled.
> >>> B. (1a) is only an issue if you believe (4). This might be
true or
> >>> it
> > might
> >>>    not, and I don't think we can make an informed decision
until
> >>> we're
> actually using multiple value kinds. For now there's just a bunch of
> >>>    code that's effectively useless - "if value kind
is 2, do nothing".
> > I'm
> >>>    opposed to adding this kind of practically unreachable code
"just
> in
> >>>    case". It adds a kind of complexity and premature
generality
> >>> that,
> > in my
> >>>    experience, will have to be completely re-done when we get
to
> > actually
> >>>    generalizing the code.
> >> In terms of value profiling code, there is no need for the check
you
> mentioned "if value kind is ..." at all, but 'attached'
to the codegen code
> for language construct of interests, for instance,
> >> ... CodeGenFunction::EmitCall(...)
> >> {
> >>     if (enable_indirect_profile) {
> >>            ....profileIndirectCall();     // does both
instrumentation
> >> and profile annotation depending on the context.
> >>     }
> >>    ...
> >> }
> >> Organizing the profile data according value profile kind allows
> >> profile
> data to be independently loaded and used:
> >> .. CodeGenPGO::assignRegionCounters (...) {
> >>    if (enable_indirect_profile) {
> >>      loadValueProfile(VK_indirect_call);
> >>    }
> >>    if (enable_xxx_profile) {
> >>     loadXXXProfile(VK_xxx);
> >>   }
> >> }
> >> if  we end up with inter-mixing all value kind profile data, we
will
> have to load all value profile data into memory regardless of the
> option specified.   It also makes the profile data uses really hard --
> how do we easily match the value profile site with the profile data counter
> index if profile kinds are selectively enabled?
> >> Besides, in the profile-use pass, each value kind's in-memory
format
> >> of
> profile data may be slightly different, so the loader will have to do
> different things ..
> >>> C. (1b) is an interesting one. Is this actually a useful
feature? If
> we
> >>>    want to combine multiple profiles with different subsets of
> > profiling
> >>>    turned on, then we definitely need the information recorded
> somewhere.
> >> I think it is a good flexibility to have.
> >>> D. I have issues with (2). If the different value kinds
actually have
> >>>    different structures and need to be read in / interpreted
> >>>    differently, then writing the support for them now simply
won't
> work.
> >> We choose to have very compact form representing the raw value
data
> >> for
> all value kinds, but to support efficient use of value profile of different
> kinds, the raw profile reader has to do something different here. For
> instance, indirect call profile data needs the translation of the raw
> address which other value kinds do not care.  I think this is something we
> can do without.
> >>>    We're reading them in as if they're interpreted in
the exact same
> way as the indirect call profiling - if they aren't, then we have to
> rewrite
> this code when we add a new one anyway. What's the point of writing
code
> that won't actually work when we try to use
> > it?
> >> I don't think this would be a problem as adding a new kind
requires
> client/use side change too, otherwise we won't be able to use it.
> > This is exactly my point. Why are we writing code *now* to read values
> that we have no way of using? This code *cannot* be tested, because it
> doesn't do anything. It adds a bunch of loops to iterate over values
that
> *must* be zero, because if they aren't we don't actually know what
they
> mean.
> > The compiler-rt patches I've seen so far have all treated each
value
> kind as if it should be treated identically to indirect call target, and
> had
> extra complexity so that they could do this, but you've stated multiple
> times that this won't actually be correct when we use it. We should
write
> the raw profile writer and reader code to do exactly what we need it to do
> today. We can and will change it when we want to add new functionality.
>
> Hi Justin,
>
> Is value_kind the only holding factor keeping these CL's from merging
in?
> If so, then I'm willing to do the change i.e. the writer and reader to
do
> exactly what IC profiling needs, as we'd like to have this effort
upstream.
> This will remove value_kind enum field from the source for now.
> The downside would be that the same enum will get reintroduced once new
> value types are added in, and hence newer format updates to the indexed
> readers.
>
> If all are willing to accept the code in this way, I'll go ahead and
take
> out the value_kind field. David, any objections?
>
> Thanks,
> -Betul
>
> >>> E. There is value in dealing with (3) as long as we're
confident
> >>> that
> > we
> >>>    can get it right. If we're pretty confident that the
value
> >>> profile
> data structure we're encoding in the .profdata file is going to work
> >>>    for multiple value profile kinds, then it makes sense to
allow
> multiple of them and encode which kinds they are. David, is
> "InstrProfValueRecord" in Betul's current patches going to
work to record
> the other types of value profiling information you're
> > planning
> >>>    on looking at?
> >> The raw profile format is certainly good for other kinds.
> > I'm not talking about the raw profile format here. This point is
about
> the stable, indexed format (.profdata, not .profraw). We have no need to
> keep the raw profile format backwards compatible, but we do need to keep
> readers for old indexed format files.
> >> InstrProfValueRecord is mostly there (for instance overloading the
> >> Name
> field for other purpose, but this is minor and can be done as follow up
> when
> support of other kinds are added), so I am ok to leave it as it is now.
> > What do you mean? What do you expect this structure to look like for
> other value kinds? Will we need to change the serialized format for the
> indexed profile format?
> > There are two possibilities. Either:
> > 1. This serialized format is sufficient for other value kinds, so it
is
> >    valuable to encode it in the indexed profile format now, because
> > this
> will avoid needing to change that format later.
> > Or,
> > 2. This is likely not how other value kinds will need to be
serialized,
> >    so we're going to need to change the format later either way.
In
> > this
> case, we should just solve the problem we have *today*, rather than making
> changes we'll need to undo later.
> > I think that given the uncertainty about what the future value
kinds'
> formats will be, we should encode this in a way where it's obvious what
the
> extra data is for (we'll specify a kind in the data), but without
trying to
> accomodate future value kinds until we're ready to talk about them
> concretely.
> > I'll go into more detail about this in my review for the indexed
> > profile
> reader and writer patch, which I should be able to get to tomorrow.
> >>> I'd also like to point out that the instrprof parts of
LLVM try to
> >>> be
> relatively frontend agnostic. We should strive to keep it such that the
> >>> frontend is the piece that decides what a particular profiling
kind
> means if possible, as long as the structure and way the data is laid
> > out
> >>> is suitable. This doesn't affect the current work very
much, but
> >>> it's
> a
> >>> good idea to keep it in mind.
> >> yes. See the above -- FE code does not really need to care about
the
> > format.
> >>> So, with all of that said, I have a couple of suggestions on
how to
> > move
> >>> forward.
> >>> - I don't think we should store the kind in the raw
profile yet. Let's
> >>>   keep this simple, since it's easy to change and will be
easier to
> get
> >>>   right when we're implementing or experimenting with a
second kind
> (based on (D)).
> >> See my reply above -- we don't really store the value kind in
raw
> profile, but we need to organize the profile data according to the kind in
> order to process (read) and use (profile-use) them
> >> efficiently.
> > The only reader of the raw profile is the tool that converts it to the
> indexed format, which is what profile-use consumes. The read will always
> read the entire file in a streaming fashion, and efficiently reading parts
> of the file is not important. We then write this to the indexed format,
> which needs to be efficiently readable.
> >>> - Assuming the answer to my question in (E) is
"yes", let's go ahead
> > and
> >>>   include a value kind for the value records in the .profdata
format.
> >> yes.
> >>>I
> >>>   don't really like the current approach of an array of
> >>>std::vectors,
> because I think we can do this more simply. I'll bring that up on the
> >>>   review thread.
> >>> - In clang, we should error if we see value kinds we don't
understand
> >>>   yet.
> >> yes.
> >>> I think that this addresses the short term concerns without
forcing
> >>> us
> to write unreachable/untestable code that may or may not work for the
> longer
> term concerns. It minimally handles (A ) in that the data that
> > is
> >>> there implies which features are being used, puts off (B)
without
> > making
> >>> it harder to deal with when the time comes, allows us to
implement
> >>> (C)
> without much trouble if we want it, avoids doing work that could cause
> problems with (D), and handles (E) since avoiding it would mean more work
> later.
> >>> What do you think?
> >> See my reply above. For now, I think the things we need to
organize
> >> the
> value profile data in raw profile according to kind (not storing) -- I
> think
> it will handle all the cases where you have concerns. thanks,
> >> David
> >>> Xinliang David Li <davidxl at google.com> writes:
> >>>> Justin, do you have more concerns on keeping value_kind?
> >>>> If there is still disagreement, can we agree to move on
with it for
> now ?  After the initial version of the patches checked in, we can do more
> serious testings with large apps and revisit this if there are problems
> discovered.
> >>>> thanks,
> >>>> David
> >>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Xinliang David Li
> >>>> <davidxl at google.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> But since the consumer is the frontend, and it
knows which counts
> > are
> >>>>>> which, it knows the kind, no? I don't
understand how storing the
> > kind
> >>>>>> info helps or hurts - it's just redundant.
> >>>>> Yes, the frontend consumer knows, but the raw reader
does not. It
> >>>>> is
> natural to do those processing when processing the raw profile data (for
> instance when function pointer to name mapping still exists).
> >>>>>>>> The other thing we should do is store
which profiling options
> >>>>>>>> are
> enabled, in both formats. When we specify profile-instr-use it'll
> > be
> >>>>>>>> less error prone if we can detect whether
or not this includes
> > indirect
> >>>>>>>> call profiling without checking other
options, and it's
> >>>>>>>> probably
> a
> > good
> >>>>>>>> idea for "llvm-profdata merge"
to disallow merging profiles
> >>>>>>>> that
> > are
> >>>>>>>> gathering different sets of data. A
bitfield seems suitable for
> > this.
> >>>>>>> For value profiling, allowing profile-gen and
profile-use passes
> > using
> >>>>>>> different options is a useful feature.
Consider the following
> scenarios:
> >>>>>>> 1) collect the same profile data once with all
kinds of value
> > profile
> >>>>>>>    data collected. The exact same profile data
can be used in
> > performance
> >>>>>>>    experiments with different kinds of value
profiling
> > enabled/disabled
> >>>>>> This use case is pretty easy to accomodate for
with the model
> >>>>>> where
> > the
> >>>>>> profile stores its type. We could autodetect the
type to decide
> >>>>>> how
> > to
> >>>>>> interpret the profile, and if more specific
profile flags are set
> > simply
> >>>>>> ignore some of the data. The thing that the file
format storing
> >>>>>> the
> > type
> >>>>>> gives us is that it's harder to misinterpret
the data by
> >>>>>> supplying
> > the
> >>>>>> mismatching flags between reading and writing.
> >>>>> Yes, this is achievable with some extra effort -- for
instance by
> collecting the profile sites of all kinds regardless of the flags.
> After profiling matching, simply drop selected sites according to the
> >>>>> flags.
> >>>>> This adds complexity of the code. With value kinds
encoded in
> profile
> >>>>> data, the handling is much simpler -- each value
profiler only
> >>>>> needs
> to deal with its own kind.
> >>>>>>> 2) work around profile-use/value
transformation bug selectively
> for
> >>>>>>>    some file without the need to change
anything in
> instrumentation
> > pass
> >>>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean here.
> >>>>> Similar to the above, but for correctness.
> >>>>>>> Besides, with the latest patch, the value_kind
is not recorded
> >>>>>>> in
> > each
> >>>>>>> profile value thus the overhead is minimized.
> >>>>>> The overhead is low, sure, but the code complexity
of dealing
> >>>>>> with
> > the
> >>>>>> multiple kinds in this way is quite real.
> >>>>> I actually believe having value-kind can help reduce
code
> >>>>> complexity
> instead of the other way around. What is the extra complexity?
> thanks,
> >>>>> David
> >>>>>>Since I'm not convinced we're
> >>>>>> getting real benefit from storing the kind, I
don't believe this
> trade-off is worth it.
> >>>>>>> thanks,
> >>>>>>> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Behalf Of Betul Buyukkurt
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 1:10 PM
To: 'Justin Bogner'
Cc: 'Xinliang David Li'; 'llvmdev'
Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] IC profiling infrastructure

Any decision on below? Is everyone OK w/ removing the value_kind and keeping
the raw profile writer and reader code to do exactly what we need it to do
today. Justin, if you agree, I'll make/upload the changes to right away?

Thanks,
-Betul
-----Original Message-----
From: Betul Buyukkurt [mailto:betulb at codeaurora.org]
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 4:18 PM
To: Justin Bogner
Cc: Xinliang David Li; Betul Buyukkurt; llvmdev
Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] IC profiling infrastructure
> Xinliang David Li <davidxl at google.com> writes:
>> Justin, thanks for the reply.
>> I would like to point out that value_kind is actually not really 
>> stored
in the raw profile data (nor do we intend to do so), other than the minimal
information about per value kind  NumOfSites info in per-function profile
header. Basically the data is organized per value kind instead of stored
intermixed. That is about it.
>> More replies below.
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Justin Bogner 
>> <mail at justinbogner.com>
> wrote:
>>> I still have some issues with what we're doing with value_kind
here.
> Let
>>> me summarize the arguments I've heard for including the
value_kind
>>> in
various places in this set of changes:
>>> 1. We would like to be able to enable multiple types of value
profiling
>>>    at the same time.
>>> 1a. We would like to be able to selectively use only particular
value
>>>     kinds from a particular profile.
>>> 1b. We would like to be able to combine profiles with different
sets
of
>>>     profiling options enabled.
>> yes.
>>> 2. We will need to know the value kind in order to parse the raw
> profile
>>>    data.
>> Yes -- but we don't need to store value kind in order to do that --
>> we
simply need to organize the profile data more
structurally.
>>> 3. We'd like to avoid needing to change the .profdata format
when we
> add
>>>    new value kinds, since it needs to stay backwards compatible.
>>> 4. The frontend work is simpler if the value kind is explicitly
> encoded.
>>> There are a couple of these points that certainly need to be
addressed,
>>> and some that are a little bit less clear.
>>> A. We do need to handle (1) in some way, but the issue can be
stated a
>>>    little bit more generally. If there are optional parts of the
> profile
>>>    data, we definitely need to know which options are enabled.
>>> B. (1a) is only an issue if you believe (4). This might be true or 
>>> it
> might
>>>    not, and I don't think we can make an informed decision
until
>>> we're
actually using multiple value kinds. For now there's just a bunch
of
>>>    code that's effectively useless - "if value kind is 2,
do nothing".
> I'm
>>>    opposed to adding this kind of practically unreachable code
"just
in
>>>    case". It adds a kind of complexity and premature
generality
>>> that,
> in my
>>>    experience, will have to be completely re-done when we get to
> actually
>>>    generalizing the code.
>> In terms of value profiling code, there is no need for the check you
mentioned "if value kind is ..." at all, but 'attached' to the
codegen code
for language construct of interests, for instance,
>> ... CodeGenFunction::EmitCall(...)
>> {
>>     if (enable_indirect_profile) {
>>            ....profileIndirectCall();     // does both instrumentation
>> and profile annotation depending on the context.
>>     }
>>    ...
>> }
>> Organizing the profile data according value profile kind allows 
>> profile
data to be independently loaded and used:
>> .. CodeGenPGO::assignRegionCounters (...) {
>>    if (enable_indirect_profile) {
>>      loadValueProfile(VK_indirect_call);
>>    }
>>    if (enable_xxx_profile) {
>>     loadXXXProfile(VK_xxx);
>>   }
>> }
>> if  we end up with inter-mixing all value kind profile data, we will
have to load all value profile data into memory regardless of the
option specified.   It also makes the profile data uses really hard --
how do we easily match the value profile site with the profile data counter
index if profile kinds are selectively enabled?
>> Besides, in the profile-use pass, each value kind's in-memory
format
>> of
profile data may be slightly different, so the loader will have to do
different things ..
>>> C. (1b) is an interesting one. Is this actually a useful feature?
If
we
>>>    want to combine multiple profiles with different subsets of
> profiling
>>>    turned on, then we definitely need the information recorded
somewhere.
>> I think it is a good flexibility to have.
>>> D. I have issues with (2). If the different value kinds actually
have
>>>    different structures and need to be read in / interpreted
>>>    differently, then writing the support for them now simply
won't work.
>> We choose to have very compact form representing the raw value data 
>> for
all value kinds, but to support efficient use of value profile of different
kinds, the raw profile reader has to do something different here. For
instance, indirect call profile data needs the translation of the raw
address which other value kinds do not care.  I think this is something we
can do without.
>>>    We're reading them in as if they're interpreted in the
exact same
way as the indirect call profiling - if they aren't, then we have to rewrite
this code when we add a new one anyway. What's the point of writing code
that won't actually work when we try to use
> it?
>> I don't think this would be a problem as adding a new kind requires
client/use side change too, otherwise we won't be able to use
it.
> This is exactly my point. Why are we writing code *now* to read values
that we have no way of using? This code *cannot* be tested, because it
doesn't do anything. It adds a bunch of loops to iterate over values that
*must* be zero, because if they aren't we don't actually know what they
mean.
> The compiler-rt patches I've seen so far have all treated each value
kind as if it should be treated identically to indirect call target, and had
extra complexity so that they could do this, but you've stated multiple
times that this won't actually be correct when we use it. We should write
the raw profile writer and reader code to do exactly what we need it to do
today. We can and will change it when we want to add new functionality.

Hi Justin,

Is value_kind the only holding factor keeping these CL's from merging in?
If so, then I'm willing to do the change i.e. the writer and reader to do
exactly what IC profiling needs, as we'd like to have this effort upstream.
This will remove value_kind enum field from the source for now.
The downside would be that the same enum will get reintroduced once new
value types are added in, and hence newer format updates to the indexed
readers.

If all are willing to accept the code in this way, I'll go ahead and take
out the value_kind field. David, any objections?

Thanks,
-Betul
>>> E. There is value in dealing with (3) as long as we're
confident
>>> that
> we
>>>    can get it right. If we're pretty confident that the value 
>>> profile
data structure we're encoding in the .profdata file is going to
work
>>>    for multiple value profile kinds, then it makes sense to allow
multiple of them and encode which kinds they are. David, is
"InstrProfValueRecord" in Betul's current patches going to work to
record
the other types of value profiling information
you're
> planning
>>>    on looking at?
>> The raw profile format is certainly good for other kinds.
> I'm not talking about the raw profile format here. This point is about
the stable, indexed format (.profdata, not .profraw). We have no need to
keep the raw profile format backwards compatible, but we do need to keep
readers for old indexed format files.
>> InstrProfValueRecord is mostly there (for instance overloading the 
>> Name
field for other purpose, but this is minor and can be done as follow up when
support of other kinds are added), so I am ok to leave it as it is
now.
> What do you mean? What do you expect this structure to look like for
other value kinds? Will we need to change the serialized format for the
indexed profile format?
> There are two possibilities. Either:
> 1. This serialized format is sufficient for other value kinds, so it is
>    valuable to encode it in the indexed profile format now, because 
> this
will avoid needing to change that format later.
> Or,
> 2. This is likely not how other value kinds will need to be serialized,
>    so we're going to need to change the format later either way. In 
> this
case, we should just solve the problem we have *today*, rather than making
changes we'll need to undo later.
> I think that given the uncertainty about what the future value kinds'
formats will be, we should encode this in a way where it's obvious what the
extra data is for (we'll specify a kind in the data), but without trying to
accomodate future value kinds until we're ready to talk about them
concretely.
> I'll go into more detail about this in my review for the indexed 
> profile
reader and writer patch, which I should be able to get to
tomorrow.
>>> I'd also like to point out that the instrprof parts of LLVM try
to
>>> be
relatively frontend agnostic. We should strive to keep it such that
the
>>> frontend is the piece that decides what a particular profiling kind
means if possible, as long as the structure and way the data is
laid
> out
>>> is suitable. This doesn't affect the current work very much,
but
>>> it's
a
>>> good idea to keep it in mind.
>> yes. See the above -- FE code does not really need to care about the
> format.
>>> So, with all of that said, I have a couple of suggestions on how to
> move
>>> forward.
>>> - I don't think we should store the kind in the raw profile
yet. Let's
>>>   keep this simple, since it's easy to change and will be
easier to
get
>>>   right when we're implementing or experimenting with a second
kind
(based on (D)).
>> See my reply above -- we don't really store the value kind in raw
profile, but we need to organize the profile data according to the kind in
order to process (read) and use (profile-use) them
>> efficiently.
> The only reader of the raw profile is the tool that converts it to the
indexed format, which is what profile-use consumes. The read will always
read the entire file in a streaming fashion, and efficiently reading parts
of the file is not important. We then write this to the indexed format,
which needs to be efficiently readable.
>>> - Assuming the answer to my question in (E) is "yes",
let's go ahead
> and
>>>   include a value kind for the value records in the .profdata
format.
>> yes.
>>>I
>>>   don't really like the current approach of an array of 
>>>std::vectors,
because I think we can do this more simply. I'll bring that up on
the
>>>   review thread.
>>> - In clang, we should error if we see value kinds we don't
understand
>>>   yet.
>> yes.
>>> I think that this addresses the short term concerns without forcing
>>> us
to write unreachable/untestable code that may or may not work for the longer
term concerns. It minimally handles (A ) in that the data
that
> is
>>> there implies which features are being used, puts off (B) without
> making
>>> it harder to deal with when the time comes, allows us to implement
>>> (C)
without much trouble if we want it, avoids doing work that could cause
problems with (D), and handles (E) since avoiding it would mean more work
later.
>>> What do you think?
>> See my reply above. For now, I think the things we need to organize 
>> the
value profile data in raw profile according to kind (not storing) -- I think
it will handle all the cases where you have concerns.
thanks,
>> David
>>> Xinliang David Li <davidxl at google.com> writes:
>>>> Justin, do you have more concerns on keeping value_kind?
>>>> If there is still disagreement, can we agree to move on with it
for
now ?  After the initial version of the patches checked in, we can do more
serious testings with large apps and revisit this if there are problems
discovered.
>>>> thanks,
>>>> David
>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Xinliang David Li 
>>>> <davidxl at google.com> wrote:
>>>>>> But since the consumer is the frontend, and it knows
which counts
> are
>>>>>> which, it knows the kind, no? I don't understand
how storing the
> kind
>>>>>> info helps or hurts - it's just redundant.
>>>>> Yes, the frontend consumer knows, but the raw reader does
not. It
>>>>> is
natural to do those processing when processing the raw profile data (for
instance when function pointer to name mapping still
exists).
>>>>>>>> The other thing we should do is store which
profiling options
>>>>>>>> are
enabled, in both formats. When we specify profile-instr-use
it'll
> be
>>>>>>>> less error prone if we can detect whether or
not this includes
> indirect
>>>>>>>> call profiling without checking other options,
and it's
>>>>>>>> probably
a
> good
>>>>>>>> idea for "llvm-profdata merge" to
disallow merging profiles
>>>>>>>> that
> are
>>>>>>>> gathering different sets of data. A bitfield
seems suitable for
> this.
>>>>>>> For value profiling, allowing profile-gen and
profile-use passes
> using
>>>>>>> different options is a useful feature. Consider the
following
scenarios:
>>>>>>> 1) collect the same profile data once with all
kinds of value
> profile
>>>>>>>    data collected. The exact same profile data can
be used in
> performance
>>>>>>>    experiments with different kinds of value
profiling
> enabled/disabled
>>>>>> This use case is pretty easy to accomodate for with the
model
>>>>>> where
> the
>>>>>> profile stores its type. We could autodetect the type
to decide
>>>>>> how
> to
>>>>>> interpret the profile, and if more specific profile
flags are set
> simply
>>>>>> ignore some of the data. The thing that the file format
storing
>>>>>> the
> type
>>>>>> gives us is that it's harder to misinterpret the
data by
>>>>>> supplying
> the
>>>>>> mismatching flags between reading and writing.
>>>>> Yes, this is achievable with some extra effort -- for
instance by
collecting the profile sites of all kinds regardless of the flags.
After profiling matching, simply drop selected sites according to
the
>>>>> flags.
>>>>> This adds complexity of the code. With value kinds encoded
in
profile
>>>>> data, the handling is much simpler -- each value profiler
only
>>>>> needs
to deal with its own kind.
>>>>>>> 2) work around profile-use/value transformation bug
selectively
for
>>>>>>>    some file without the need to change anything in
instrumentation
> pass
>>>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean here.
>>>>> Similar to the above, but for correctness.
>>>>>>> Besides, with the latest patch, the value_kind is
not recorded
>>>>>>> in
> each
>>>>>>> profile value thus the overhead is minimized.
>>>>>> The overhead is low, sure, but the code complexity of
dealing
>>>>>> with
> the
>>>>>> multiple kinds in this way is quite real.
>>>>> I actually believe having value-kind can help reduce code 
>>>>> complexity
instead of the other way around. What is the extra complexity?
thanks,
>>>>> David
>>>>>>Since I'm not convinced we're
>>>>>> getting real benefit from storing the kind, I don't
believe this
trade-off is worth it.
>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>> David




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