llvm dev - Oct 2009 - [LLVMdev] [cfe-dev] Developer meeting videos up

Hi Chris,

   it would be good if "the powers that be" could be made to
understand
that if only Apple employees are not allowed to put up their slides while 
Apple is employing the core of the LLVM foundation, that this sends the 
absolute wrong message on openness of the project. It is also totally 
incompatible with the fantastic work you guys are doing and your tremendous 
presence on the (non Apple) uiuc mailings lists.

At CERN we had already a number of people questioning the wisdom of basing 
our developments on LLVM as it is perceived as an Apple thing, that could 
turn on us at anytime, and this position does not help.

Cheers, Fons.


Chris Lattner wrote:
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Anton Korobeynikov wrote:
>> Hi, Chris
>>
>>> All of the videos are now up on the web page, and most of the
slides
>>> are up (still need to get David's and Evan's slides). 
Please let me
>>> know if you hit any problems.
>> First of all, thanks a lot about all stuff with videos & slides  
>> posting.
>>
>> I'm a bit curious: is there any reason why are other slides /
videos
>> not available (it seems that the ones missing are from Apple folks)?
> 
> Unfortunately, we found out at the last minute that Apple has a rule  
> which prevents its engineers from giving video taped talks or  
> distributing slides.  We will hold onto the video and slide assets in  
> case this rule changes in the future.
> 
> -Chris
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On Friday 16 October 2009 02:52, Fons Rademakers wrote:
> At CERN we had already a number of people questioning the wisdom of basing
> our developments on LLVM as it is perceived as an Apple thing, that could
> turn on us at anytime, and this position does not help.
Ditto.  I've heard this more than once from people here.

                              -Dave

On 10/16/2009 07:36 PM, David Greene wrote:
> On Friday 16 October 2009 02:52, Fons Rademakers wrote:
>
>> At CERN we had already a number of people questioning the wisdom of
basing
>> our developments on LLVM as it is perceived as an Apple thing, that
could
>> turn on us at anytime, and this position does not help.
>
> Ditto.  I've heard this more than once from people here.
>
>                                -Dave
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In my opinion, it's not just about that aspect. Not having openess in an 
OS project is bad, but in this case, I wasn't able to make it to the 
meeting, and I've a strong personal interest in clang, and I'd really 
like to watch the State of clang talk.
Also the OpenCL talk (probably, as I don't know...) contains lots of 
interesting news about an upcoming technology which will be probably 
very important for every professional who wants to use parallelism and 
GPU computing power efficiently (efficient as in less dev time for more 
performance).
And that's just beside the bad PR which will be (probably) soon picked 
up by news sites.
Let's hope that the responsible person for this changes his/her mind 
soon,  so everyone can calm down.
Cornelius