Linux Ethernet Bridging - Mar 2023 - [Bridge] [PATCH v2 net-next 6/6] selftests: forwarding: add dynamic FDB test

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 10:06:34AM +0200, Hans Schultz
wrote:
> The memory problems are of course on the embedded target. In that case I
> think it would be a very good idea to do something to design the system
> better, so that it frees memory between the subtests.
People like Martin Blumenstingl have managed to deploy and run the
networking kselftests on OpenWRT, which typically runs on very
resource-constrained embedded devices.
https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/CAFBinCDX5XRyMyOd-+c_Zkn6dawtBpQ9DaPkA4FDC5agL-t8CA
at mail.gmail.com/
https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20220707135532.1783925-1-martin.blumenstingl at
googlemail.com/

Considering that, you'll have to come with a much more concrete description
of why the system should be "designed better" and "free memory
between
subtests" (what memory?!) before you could run it on your target system.

Either that, or at least take into serious consideration the fact that you
may be hung up on doing something which isn't necessary for the end goal.

I simply have no clue what you're talking about. It's as if we're
talking
about completely different things.
> If all tests are always run on the bridge only, I think they don't make
> much sense as these patchsets are directed towards switchcores.
Is this supposed to mean something, or is it just a random thought you
had, that you believed it would be good to share with us?

The tools/testing/selftests/net/forwarding/lib.sh central framework has
the NETIF_TYPE and NETIF_CREATE variables, which indicate that by default,
veth interfaces are created. When running a bridge selftest with veth as
bridge ports, indeed software bridging should take place, and those
selftests should work fine. In Linux, the software behavior represents a
model for the offload behavior, since offloads are 100% transparent to
the user most of the time.

Below in lib.sh, there is a line which sources
"$relative_path/forwarding.config",
a file which can contain customizations of the default variables used by
the framework. Even though it isn't strictly necessary to put the
customized bash variables in a forwarding.config file, it is more
convenient to do this than to specify them as environment variables.

If you "cd tools/testing/selftests/drivers/net/dsa/", you will find
precisely such a forwarding.config file there, which contains the line
"NETIF_CREATE=no", which means that when you run the symlinked
sub-group
of forwarding tests relevant to DSA from this folder, the expectation is
that the bridge ports are not veth interfaces created for the test, but
rather, physical ports.

So, by running the command I posted in the earlier email, you actually
run it on the physical DSA user port interfaces, and it should pass
there too. This is based on the equivalency principle between the
software and the hardware data paths that I was talking about.

If you're actively and repeatedly making an effort to work with your eyes
closed, and then build strawmen around the fact that you don't see, then
you're not going to get very friendly reactions from people, me included,
who explain things to you that pertain to your due diligence. This is
because these people know the things that they're explaining to you out
of their own due diligence, and, as a result, are not easily fooled by
your childish excuses.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 12:37, Vladimir Oltean <olteanv at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> So, by running the command I posted in the earlier email, you actually
> run it on the physical DSA user port interfaces, and it should pass
> there too.
Okay, that sounds like a good idea which I have not done before. I am
seeing how I can install Debian in an Qemu or VMWare setup to be able to
test that way.
> This is based on the equivalency principle between the
> software and the hardware data paths that I was talking about.
>
> If you're actively and repeatedly making an effort to work with your
eyes
> closed, and then build strawmen around the fact that you don't see,
then
> you're not going to get very friendly reactions from people, me
included,
> who explain things to you that pertain to your due diligence. This is
> because these people know the things that they're explaining to you out
> of their own due diligence, and, as a result, are not easily fooled by
> your childish excuses.
I am not coming with excuses here, and certainly not childish ones at
that either. I am just pointing out that on my device the tests don't
run well because of memory shortage and my reasoning why I think it is
so.
I will as long as the system is as it is with these selftests, just run
single subtests at a time on target, but if I have new phy problems like
the one you have seen I have had before, then testing on target becomes
off limits.