Ironruby core - Jan 2009 - IronRuby with Asp.Net MVC is possible or not...?

Hello..

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Hi Phil,

Great News shared.

I am dying to work with IronRuby and Asp.Net MVC since ages, but no good
news are seen nearby.

Can you kindly make it clear for once and all that should i leave all
the hopes to work with IronRuby and Asp.Net MVC or i can still keep on
dreaming with this.

No news are bad news.. and thats really frustrating.

Thanks
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I also feel the same.

I have just seen this post on web and i though i would repost it here,
since the progress of IronRuby is going dead slow since its announcement
in Mix 2007 and now since Mix 2009 is round the corner, i see no good
news of Version 1.0 and its support with Asp.Net MVC.

I have also seen the same frustration on twitter too.

Can any one come ahead with a final answer for this....?

Thanks
-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

== Short Answer

http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2008/09/aspnet-dynamic-language-support.html
http://github.com/jschementi/ironrubymvc

We''ve always been clear on an expected 1.0 date ... sometime in 2009.
=) The schedule to 1.0 will be more apparent in the next coming months. Check
out http://ironruby.net, lots of new information about the project up there, and
like I said, more to come.

IronRuby is open-source. ASP.NET MVC source-code is available. If you want it to
work so badly, why not work on it yourself? The source code for the initial
integration is available too, so I don''t see the problem.
We''re a small team, so we can only focus on the language, and could use
the help with these types of integration projects. So, please help!

== Long Answer

IronRuby has a very small, full-time development team at Microsoft. We are
focusing on the language and libraries, full-time; IronRuby 1.0 is our priority.
Other integration with .NET frameworks is usually from broader DLR-integration
efforts that IronRuby gets for free/minimal effort, like my work on Silverlight
before working on IronRuby.

So, again, we''re the IronRuby team working on the Ruby language. If
you''d like to voice your opinion about integration with ASP.NET MVC,
I''m sure the ASP.NET MVC team would want to hear.

That being said, I''ve been the person on working most closely with the
ASP.NET team, only on my free time, to make steps towards a better DLR
integration with ASP.NET. Cause I care =P And in late September we made a first
step by releasing an updated integration between IronPython and ASP.NET.
http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2008/09/aspnet-dynamic-language-support.html.
Also, Phil Haack and I have been working on an IronRuby MVC integration
http://github.com/jschementi/ironrubymvc. Phil was last working on filters, but
we haven''t merged that code back into my github account. The current
state of the repo may be a little wacky, since the sample app uses
ActiveSupport, which loads way too slowly, but it works.

Phil and I are only two people. With other full-time job responsibilities, and
other side projects. If anyone is interested in seeing ASP.NET (MVC)
integration, please feel free to get the available code and start building upon
it. If you want to contribute, we can move the projects to ironruby-contrib and
gladly accept patches.

If no one helps us with this, things will move slow ... it will eventually
happen, but slow. So, if you want it so badly, I encourage you to prove it and
help. If you don''t, and the IronRuby team has to do the work, then 1.0
will be that much further away.

~Jimmy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core-
> bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Web Reservoir
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:17 PM
> To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> Subject: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby with Asp.Net MVC is possible or
> not...?
>
> Hello..
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> Hi Phil,
>
> Great News shared.
>
> I am dying to work with IronRuby and Asp.Net MVC since ages, but no
> good
> news are seen nearby.
>
> Can you kindly make it clear for once and all that should i leave all
> the hopes to work with IronRuby and Asp.Net MVC or i can still keep on
> dreaming with this.
>
> No news are bad news.. and thats really frustrating.
>
> Thanks
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> I also feel the same.
>
> I have just seen this post on web and i though i would repost it here,
> since the progress of IronRuby is going dead slow since its
> announcement
> in Mix 2007 and now since Mix 2009 is round the corner, i see no good
> news of Version 1.0 and its support with Asp.Net MVC.
>
> I have also seen the same frustration on twitter too.
>
> Can any one come ahead with a final answer for this....?
>
> Thanks
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> Ironruby-core mailing list
> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core

I definitely want to help with the integration of mvc and IronRuby. But I
was also waiting for it to go to 1.0 before actually spending a serious
amount of time on it.


On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Jimmy Schementi <
Jimmy.Schementi at microsoft.com> wrote:
> == Short Answer
>
>
>
http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2008/09/aspnet-dynamic-language-support.html
> http://github.com/jschementi/ironrubymvc
>
> We''ve always been clear on an expected 1.0 date ... sometime in
2009. =)
> The schedule to 1.0 will be more apparent in the next coming months. Check
> out http://ironruby.net, lots of new information about the project up
> there, and like I said, more to come.
>
> IronRuby is open-source. ASP.NET <http://asp.net/> MVC source-code is
> available. If you want it to work so badly, why not work on it yourself?
The
> source code for the initial integration is available too, so I
don''t see the
> problem. We''re a small team, so we can only focus on the language,
and could
> use the help with these types of integration projects. So, please help!
>
> == Long Answer
>
> IronRuby has a very small, full-time development team at Microsoft. We are
> focusing on the language and libraries, full-time; IronRuby 1.0 is our
> priority. Other integration with .NET frameworks is usually from broader
> DLR-integration efforts that IronRuby gets for free/minimal effort, like my
> work on Silverlight before working on IronRuby.
>
> So, again, we''re the IronRuby team working on the Ruby language.
If you''d
> like to voice your opinion about integration with
ASP.NET<http://asp.net/>MVC, I''m sure the
> ASP.NET <http://asp.net/> MVC team would want to hear.
>
> That being said, I''ve been the person on working most closely with
the
> ASP.NET <http://asp.net/> team, only on my free time, to make steps
> towards a better DLR integration with ASP.NET <http://asp.net/>.
Cause I
> care =P And in late September we made a first step by releasing an updated
> integration between IronPython and ASP.NET <http://asp.net/>.
>
http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2008/09/aspnet-dynamic-language-support.html.
> Also, Phil Haack and I have been working on an IronRuby MVC integration
> http://github.com/jschementi/ironrubymvc. Phil was last working on
> filters, but we haven''t merged that code back into my github
account. The
> current state of the repo may be a little wacky, since the sample app uses
> ActiveSupport, which loads way too slowly, but it works.
>
> Phil and I are only two people. With other full-time job responsibilities,
> and other side projects. If anyone is interested in seeing
ASP.NET<http://asp.net/>(MVC) integration, please feel free to get the
available code and start
> building upon it. If you want to contribute, we can move the projects to
> ironruby-contrib and gladly accept patches.
>
> If no one helps us with this, things will move slow ... it will eventually
> happen, but slow. So, if you want it so badly, I encourage you to prove it
> and help. If you don''t, and the IronRuby team has to do the work,
then 1.0
> will be that much further away.
>
> ~Jimmy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core-
> > bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Web Reservoir
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:17 PM
> > To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > Subject: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby with Asp.Net MVC is possible or
> > not...?
> >
> > Hello..
> >
> >
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > Hi Phil,
> >
> > Great News shared.
> >
> > I am dying to work with IronRuby and Asp.Net MVC since ages, but no
> > good
> > news are seen nearby.
> >
> > Can you kindly make it clear for once and all that should i leave all
> > the hopes to work with IronRuby and Asp.Net MVC or i can still keep on
> > dreaming with this.
> >
> > No news are bad news.. and thats really frustrating.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----
> >
> > I also feel the same.
> >
> > I have just seen this post on web and i though i would repost it here,
> > since the progress of IronRuby is going dead slow since its
> > announcement
> > in Mix 2007 and now since Mix 2009 is round the corner, i see no good
> > news of Version 1.0 and its support with Asp.Net MVC.
> >
> > I have also seen the same frustration on twitter too.
> >
> > Can any one come ahead with a final answer for this....?
> >
> > Thanks
> > --
> > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ironruby-core mailing list
> > Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
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::nods:: 1.0 doesn?t need to be the magical time to start looking at things.
Especially since you?ve been an ?early-adopter? for quite a while Ivan. =) 1.0
is a good time for MRI code to run on IronRuby reliably, but depending on .NET
interop is doable even now. Sure, there are some rough edges, but nothing
majorly blocking something like ASP.NET. And it?d be nice to know of any major
.NET interop pain-points earlier than later.

~js

From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at
rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Ivan Porto Carrero
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:42 AM
To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby with Asp.Net MVC is possible or not...?

I definitely want to help with the integration of mvc and IronRuby. But I was
also waiting for it to go to 1.0 before actually spending a serious amount of
time on it.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Jimmy Schementi <Jimmy.Schementi at
microsoft.com<mailto:Jimmy.Schementi at microsoft.com>> wrote:
== Short Answer

http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2008/09/aspnet-dynamic-language-support.html
http://github.com/jschementi/ironrubymvc

We''ve always been clear on an expected 1.0 date ... sometime in 2009.
=) The schedule to 1.0 will be more apparent in the next coming months. Check
out http://ironruby.net<http://ironruby.net/>, lots of new information
about the project up there, and like I said, more to come.

IronRuby is open-source. ASP.NET<http://asp.net/> MVC source-code is
available. If you want it to work so badly, why not work on it yourself? The
source code for the initial integration is available too, so I don''t
see the problem. We''re a small team, so we can only focus on the
language, and could use the help with these types of integration projects. So,
please help!

== Long Answer

IronRuby has a very small, full-time development team at Microsoft. We are
focusing on the language and libraries, full-time; IronRuby 1.0 is our priority.
Other integration with .NET frameworks is usually from broader DLR-integration
efforts that IronRuby gets for free/minimal effort, like my work on Silverlight
before working on IronRuby.

So, again, we''re the IronRuby team working on the Ruby language. If
you''d like to voice your opinion about integration with
ASP.NET<http://asp.net/> MVC, I''m sure the
ASP.NET<http://asp.net/> MVC team would want to hear.

That being said, I''ve been the person on working most closely with the
ASP.NET<http://asp.net/> team, only on my free time, to make steps towards
a better DLR integration with ASP.NET<http://asp.net/>. Cause I care =P
And in late September we made a first step by releasing an updated integration
between IronPython and ASP.NET<http://asp.net/>.
http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2008/09/aspnet-dynamic-language-support.html.
Also, Phil Haack and I have been working on an IronRuby MVC integration
http://github.com/jschementi/ironrubymvc. Phil was last working on filters, but
we haven''t merged that code back into my github account. The current
state of the repo may be a little wacky, since the sample app uses
ActiveSupport, which loads way too slowly, but it works.

Phil and I are only two people. With other full-time job responsibilities, and
other side projects. If anyone is interested in seeing
ASP.NET<http://asp.net/> (MVC) integration, please feel free to get the
available code and start building upon it. If you want to contribute, we can
move the projects to ironruby-contrib and gladly accept patches.

If no one helps us with this, things will move slow ... it will eventually
happen, but slow. So, if you want it so badly, I encourage you to prove it and
help. If you don''t, and the IronRuby team has to do the work, then 1.0
will be that much further away.

~Jimmy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ironruby-core-bounces at
rubyforge.org<mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org>
[mailto:ironruby-core-<mailto:ironruby-core->
> bounces at rubyforge.org<mailto:bounces at rubyforge.org>] On Behalf
Of Web Reservoir
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:17 PM
> To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org<mailto:ironruby-core at
rubyforge.org>
> Subject: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby with Asp.Net MVC is possible or
> not...?
>
> Hello..
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> Hi Phil,
>
> Great News shared.
>
> I am dying to work with IronRuby and Asp.Net MVC since ages, but no
> good
> news are seen nearby.
>
> Can you kindly make it clear for once and all that should i leave all
> the hopes to work with IronRuby and Asp.Net MVC or i can still keep on
> dreaming with this.
>
> No news are bad news.. and thats really frustrating.
>
> Thanks
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> I also feel the same.
>
> I have just seen this post on web and i though i would repost it here,
> since the progress of IronRuby is going dead slow since its
> announcement
> in Mix 2007 and now since Mix 2009 is round the corner, i see no good
> news of Version 1.0 and its support with Asp.Net MVC.
>
> I have also seen the same frustration on twitter too.
>
> Can any one come ahead with a final answer for this....?
>
> Thanks
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> Ironruby-core mailing list
> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org<mailto:Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org>
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
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I would be fascinated to see some of the sites you are working on at the
moment, Web Reservoir.  Perhaps this would help in defining the direction
that IronRuby takes going forward.
Keep up the good work IR team!
Pete