Behold, gtgbr@gmx.net hath decreed:> Dale Ghent wrote: > > Icecast2 is icecast2. I'm talking about it's lack of innovation (ogg > > streaming! woopdefuckingdoo) as well as it's lack of functionality that > > doesnt even near icecast 1.x (yp, acls, metadata, web-based admin). > > Apparently, you haven't tried Icecast2-alpha, yet.So... we have to try an alpha version of unreleased (an apparently, unmentionable [anywhere but here]) software in order for it to achieve a modicum of the functionality of the previous version of the software, which is now obsolete? Something's rotten in the state of Denmark...>YP should work on > Icecast2's side, but my understanding is that the current directory > servers don't support it yet. Or I'm wrong and it works - I really > should try this. Metadata works for a long time now, ACLs are missing > (but you can get around most issues via tcpwrappers), don't know about > web-based admin (either it's there, or will be there soon, plus there's > a lot that can be done by the source client). In addition to that, it > supports chroot() and ch[g,u]id()ing for additional security. And yes, > Vorbis streaming is innovative, you just don't care.I think his point was Vorbis streaming itself is not all that interesting from the perspective of someone with a collection of mp3s who wants to stream music.> > > Tell me, in the past year, where exactly HAS icecast gone? Absolutely > > no-where. Don't throw this Cathedral and the Bazaar crap around as a > > It has gone from something that takes Vorbis and spits it out, while > doing not much else, to something useful.What does it do? Where is the feature description? Do I have to run it to figure out what it is supposed to do? How am I supposed to even know that icecast2 streams vorbis without searching archives for arguments like this thread? -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 593 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/attachments/20021228/9071cdb2/part.pgp
Aaron Gaudio wrote:> > Dale Ghent wrote: > > > Icecast2 is icecast2. I'm talking about it's lack of innovation (ogg > > > streaming! woopdefuckingdoo) as well as it's lack of functionality that > > > doesnt even near icecast 1.x (yp, acls, metadata, web-based admin). > > Apparently, you haven't tried Icecast2-alpha, yet. > So... we have to try an alpha version of unreleased (an apparently, > unmentionable [anywhere but here]) software in order for it to achieveDale described Icecast2 as it was before Mike much time working on it.> I think his point was Vorbis streaming itself is not all that > interesting from the perspective of someone with a collection of > mp3s who wants to stream music.I also answered that before - Vorbis offers significant quality improvements at low bitrates, even if the source is MP3. Apart from that, compare streaming royalties of Vorbis with those on http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/emd.html (in case you're a professional).> What does it do? Where is the feature description? Do I have to run > it to figure out what it is supposed to do? How am I supposed to even > know that icecast2 streams vorbis without searching archives for > arguments like this thread?You know, trying out Icecast2 would've revealed more details than this whole thread and any abstract feature list on a web site. It'd have been faster than this discussion, too. <p>Moritz --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Behold, gtgbr@gmx.net hath decreed:> > > I think his point was Vorbis streaming itself is not all that > > interesting from the perspective of someone with a collection of > > mp3s who wants to stream music. > > I also answered that before - Vorbis offers significant quality > improvements at low bitrates, even if the source is MP3. Apart from > that, compare streaming royalties of Vorbis with those on > http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/emd.html (in case you're a > professional).But technically, how much different is it to stream a vorbis stream than an mp3 stream? I don't know. From a political and/or economic viewpoint, or even a technical viewpoint, a vorbis stream may be more desireable than an mp3 stream. But the technology is still compressed audio streaming, and that's not much of a revolution. It is applying existing streaming methodology to a new format: vorbis. That is great, but is it worth giving up the other features that icecast1 supports today? That's a judgement call I suppose.> > > What does it do? Where is the feature description? Do I have to run > > it to figure out what it is supposed to do? How am I supposed to even > > know that icecast2 streams vorbis without searching archives for > > arguments like this thread? > > You know, trying out Icecast2 would've revealed more details than this > whole thread and any abstract feature list on a web site. It'd have been > faster than this discussion, too.It would have for me, yes. But how many man-hours must be spent when each prospective user wants to find out what icecast2 is supposed to do... hours that could be saved all around by updating some web page to talk about the project a little. icecast.org is not a dead server. It is still responding. Somebody must own the box. Somebody must have access to it, to either update it, or to take it offline entirely. -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 593 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/attachments/20021230/283c9d76/part.pgp
> I also answered that before - Vorbis offers significant quality > improvements at low bitrates, even if the source is MP3. Apart from > that, compare streaming royalties of Vorbis with those on > http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/emd.html (in case you're a > professional). >Unless i've missed something, here is a page which lists the royalties for using vorbis. In anything. (before clicking on the link, if my information is correct, please excuse my weird sense of humour): http://galileo.spaceports.com/~djdij/oggvorbislicensing.html <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.