Rob Burris wrote:> Real Networks offers a free streamer called Real Server. I'm not sure of the > exact link, but here's a starting pointThat is definitely not free, it's not even zero cost after that evaluation year. There don't even exist any players for it except from Real ... i can't think of anything less free than that. :| I suggest ditching all that crap and to wait for Ogg Theora (give it a year or so). <p>Moritz --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
just cause you don't pay $$ for it, don't mean that you (or even we) aren't paying for it other ways. but don't think this is the place for rants or debates of this nature. real software is an option for some, and not for others... <p>rem <p>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Burris" <robeb@keepthevibe.com> To: <icecast@xiph.org> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast is cool, but how about video? <p>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*> I use real server to broadcast live video streams from my studio ( using > icecast to broadcast the audio ) to clients using real player ( of which > there also is a free version of ) and I don't pay a dime. I don't know how > much more free something can get. But, you sir, can believe whatever you'd > like to... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moritz Grimm" <gtgbr@gmx.net> > To: <icecast@xiph.org> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:14 AM > Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast is cool, but how about video? > > > > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm)Pro*> > Rob Burris wrote: > > > Real Networks offers a free streamer called Real Server. I'm not sureof> the > > > exact link, but here's a starting point > > > > That is definitely not free, it's not even zero cost after that > > evaluation year. There don't even exist any players for it except from > > Real ... i can't think of anything less free than that. :| > > > > I suggest ditching all that crap and to wait for Ogg Theora (give it a > > year or so). > > > > > > Moritz > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request@xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject isneeded.> > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. ><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Rob Burris wrote:> I use real server to broadcast live video streams from my studio ( using > icecast to broadcast the audio ) to clients using real player ( of which > there also is a free version of ) and I don't pay a dime. I don't know how > much more free something can get. But, you sir, can believe whatever you'd > like to...Free means that you may use for any purpose, redistribute, modify and redistribute the modified version of a program. It's not about cost. Real is so closed that only Real themselves can make a player. Their player is very intrusive into the system it's installed to, and clueless users get tricked into subscribing to newsletter AKA spam by Real and if they don't reconfigure the client, they also send statistical data to Real that should stay private. I'm talking about free as in freedom, not as in "free beer". Apart from that, Real's software is a nuisance to use. It DOES perform well technically, e.g. in terms of quality at low bitrates (44kbps sounds almost as good as Vorbis' 48kbps ABR), but it's ressource hungry and not trustworthy, too. I wouldn't install and run any server that I (and everyone else) don't know about what it actually does, for both security and privacy reasons. I don't trust Real just like I don't trust Microsoft. You seem to be happy with blindly trusting proprietary software and companies making them, I don't. That's why I don't recommend it to anyone and tell my concerns instead. <p>Moritz --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* I use real server to broadcast live video streams from my studio ( using icecast to broadcast the audio ) to clients using real player ( of which there also is a free version of ) and I don't pay a dime. I don't know how much more free something can get. But, you sir, can believe whatever you'd like to... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moritz Grimm" <gtgbr@gmx.net> To: <icecast@xiph.org> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast is cool, but how about video? <p>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*> Rob Burris wrote: > > Real Networks offers a free streamer called Real Server. I'm not sure ofthe> > exact link, but here's a starting point > > That is definitely not free, it's not even zero cost after that > evaluation year. There don't even exist any players for it except from > Real ... i can't think of anything less free than that. :| > > I suggest ditching all that crap and to wait for Ogg Theora (give it a > year or so). > > > Moritz > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.<p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Hello, I suggest Darwin Steraming Server. Apple's Darwin Streaming Video Server is pretty good and open source...(It uses RTSP protocol and supports Linux,Mac,Windows) RealServer is not free(there is connection and year limitations....) but powerfull..(uses RTSP, supports Linux, Windows[memory eater :)) ]) Also there is Windows Media(uses HTTP(performance is very bad), supports only Windows, easy to use also supports live video capturing....) There are other open source streaming video servers like TV streaming. Good Luck, Tamer At 11:14 07.07.2002, you wrote:>Rob Burris wrote: > > Real Networks offers a free streamer called Real Server. I'm not sure > of the > > exact link, but here's a starting point > >That is definitely not free, it's not even zero cost after that >evaluation year. There don't even exist any players for it except from >Real ... i can't think of anything less free than that. :| > >I suggest ditching all that crap and to wait for Ogg Theora (give it a >year or so). > > >Moritz > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.<p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* what type of broadcasting software is out there to use with Darwin? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamer Demir" <demirt@boun.edu.tr> To: <icecast@xiph.org> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast is cool, but how about video? <p>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*> Hello, > > I suggest Darwin Steraming Server. Apple's Darwin Streaming Video Serveris> pretty good and open source...(It uses RTSP protocol and supports > Linux,Mac,Windows) > RealServer is not free(there is connection and year limitations....) but > powerfull..(uses RTSP, supports Linux, Windows[memory eater :)) ]) > Also there is Windows Media(uses HTTP(performance is very bad), supports > only Windows, easy to use also supports live video capturing....) > There are other open source streaming video servers like TV streaming. > > Good Luck, > Tamer > > At 11:14 07.07.2002, you wrote: > >Rob Burris wrote: > > > Real Networks offers a free streamer called Real Server. I'm not sure > > of the > > > exact link, but here's a starting point > > > >That is definitely not free, it's not even zero cost after that > >evaluation year. There don't even exist any players for it except from > >Real ... i can't think of anything less free than that. :| > > > >I suggest ditching all that crap and to wait for Ogg Theora (give it a > >year or so). > > > > > >Moritz > > > >--- >8 ---- > >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject isneeded.> >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.<p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.