dovecot - Nov 2013 - Sieve script problem (don't know if is it possible to do this)

Hello:

I'm loosing my mind trying to classify my outgoing messages with
sieve-test (2.0.9, centos 6.4). It came to the point I think it's not
even possible with a sieve script.

I need to classify my outgoing messages in three folders:

1- To my department (@dept.example.com)
2- To my company (@example.com, @anyotherdept.example.com)
(anyotherdept.example.com as in a way to say "any other domain that
ends with 'example.com', but not 'dept.example.com'")
3- To the rest of the word (@any.other.domain)

The problematic requirement is I need to make a copy in EVERY IMAP
folder that applies. For instance: for an email such as
----
From: myuser at dept.example.com
To: user at dept.example.com, user at example.com, user at other.domain
...
----
I need to make a copy to all folders: Dept (because of
user at dept.example.com), Company (because of user at example.com) and Rest
(because of user at other.domain).

Rule for #1 is simple:
-----
if address :matches :domain "To" "dept.example.com" {
fileinto: "Dept"; }
-----

Rule for #2, I don't know how to declare it: I don't know how to make
a rule that matches "example.com" (or anyotherdept.example.com) and
not "dept.example.com".

if allof(address :matches :domain "To" "example.com", not
address
:matches :domain "To" "dept.example.com") { fileinto:
"Company"; }
... doesn't work, because user at dept.example.com matches (address
:matches :domain "To" "example.com"), but it doesn't
matches (not
address :matches :domain "To" "dept.example.com").

"user at example.com" matches both conditions, but sieve-test stops on
the first email address with a "not matches"

As for Rule #3: I don't know how to do it either, it should be the
same as Rule #2, (with different parameters of course).

A sieve script should be capable to do this, but it seems that I'm
loosing something. Does any one knows how to do this?

Kind regards
    Yanko

PS: English is not my native language. Please forgive me any
mistakes/misspellings/etc I made.

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Am 14.11.2013 19:17, schrieb Yanko Hern?ndez ?lvarez:
> Hello:
> 
> I'm loosing my mind trying to classify my outgoing messages with 
> sieve-test (2.0.9, centos 6.4). It came to the point I think it's
> not even possible with a sieve script.
> 
> I need to classify my outgoing messages in three folders:
stop here , filter outgoing mail is not possible yet with sieve, at my
current info level, but it may come in future ( but thats  a different
story )

but your mail client may do copy in different imap folders at send
time, or your mailserver may do some kind of sort/copy with i.e bcc
feature etc

equal stuff was asked before on the list i think , search archive

however if i dont unterstand you in the right way, and you want to
sort incomming mail feel free to ask again
> 
> 1- To my department (@dept.example.com) 2- To my company
> (@example.com, @anyotherdept.example.com) (anyotherdept.example.com
> as in a way to say "any other domain that ends with
'example.com',
> but not 'dept.example.com'") 3- To the rest of the word
> (@any.other.domain)
> 
> The problematic requirement is I need to make a copy in EVERY IMAP 
> folder that applies. For instance: for an email such as ---- From:
> myuser at dept.example.com To: user at dept.example.com,
> user at example.com, user at other.domain ... ---- I need to make a copy
> to all folders: Dept (because of user at dept.example.com), Company
> (because of user at example.com) and Rest (because of
> user at other.domain).
> 
> Rule for #1 is simple: ----- if address :matches :domain "To"
> "dept.example.com" { fileinto: "Dept"; } -----
> 
> Rule for #2, I don't know how to declare it: I don't know how to
> make a rule that matches "example.com" (or
> anyotherdept.example.com) and not "dept.example.com".
> 
> if allof(address :matches :domain "To" "example.com",
not address
> :matches :domain "To" "dept.example.com") { fileinto:
"Company"; }
> ... doesn't work, because user at dept.example.com matches (address 
> :matches :domain "To" "example.com"), but it
doesn't matches (not
> address :matches :domain "To" "dept.example.com").
> 
> "user at example.com" matches both conditions, but sieve-test
stops
> on the first email address with a "not matches"
> 
> As for Rule #3: I don't know how to do it either, it should be the 
> same as Rule #2, (with different parameters of course).
> 
> A sieve script should be capable to do this, but it seems that I'm 
> loosing something. Does any one knows how to do this?
> 
> Kind regards Yanko
> 
> PS: English is not my native language. Please forgive me any 
> mistakes/misspellings/etc I made.
> 

Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer

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Maybe you can do it with postdrop?

On 14 Nov 2013 20:18, "Yanko Hern?ndez ?lvarez" <yhdezalvarez at
gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> I'm loosing my mind trying to classify my outgoing messages with
> sieve-test (2.0.9, centos 6.4). It came to the point I think it's not
> even possible with a sieve script.
>
> I need to classify my outgoing messages in three folders:
>
> 1- To my department (@dept.example.com)
> 2- To my company (@example.com, @anyotherdept.example.com)
> (anyotherdept.example.com as in a way to say "any other domain that
> ends with 'example.com', but not 'dept.example.com'")
> 3- To the rest of the word (@any.other.domain)
>
> The problematic requirement is I need to make a copy in EVERY IMAP
> folder that applies. For instance: for an email such as
> ----
> From: myuser at dept.example.com
> To: user at dept.example.com, user at example.com, user at other.domain
> ...
> ----
> I need to make a copy to all folders: Dept (because of
> user at dept.example.com), Company (because of user at example.com) and
Rest
> (because of user at other.domain).
>
> Rule for #1 is simple:
> -----
> if address :matches :domain "To" "dept.example.com" {
fileinto: "Dept"; }
> -----
>
> Rule for #2, I don't know how to declare it: I don't know how to
make
> a rule that matches "example.com" (or anyotherdept.example.com)
and
> not "dept.example.com".
>
> if allof(address :matches :domain "To" "example.com",
not address
> :matches :domain "To" "dept.example.com") { fileinto:
"Company"; }
> ... doesn't work, because user at dept.example.com matches (address
> :matches :domain "To" "example.com"), but it
doesn't matches (not
> address :matches :domain "To" "dept.example.com").
>
> "user at example.com" matches both conditions, but sieve-test
stops on
> the first email address with a "not matches"
>
> As for Rule #3: I don't know how to do it either, it should be the
> same as Rule #2, (with different parameters of course).
>
> A sieve script should be capable to do this, but it seems that I'm
> loosing something. Does any one knows how to do this?
>
> Kind regards
>     Yanko
>
> PS: English is not my native language. Please forgive me any
> mistakes/misspellings/etc I made.

On 11/14/2013 7:17 PM, Yanko Hern?ndez ?lvarez wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I'm loosing my mind trying to classify my outgoing messages with
> sieve-test (2.0.9, centos 6.4). It came to the point I think it's not
> even possible with a sieve script.
Outgoing? Sieve is currently only applicable to incoming e-mail. If you
managed to do something like this, I'd be interested to find out how. :)
> I need to classify my outgoing messages in three folders:
>
> 1- To my department (@dept.example.com)
> 2- To my company (@example.com, @anyotherdept.example.com)
> (anyotherdept.example.com as in a way to say "any other domain that
> ends with 'example.com', but not 'dept.example.com'")
> 3- To the rest of the word (@any.other.domain)
>
> The problematic requirement is I need to make a copy in EVERY IMAP
> folder that applies. For instance: for an email such as
> ----
> From: myuser at dept.example.com
> To: user at dept.example.com, user at example.com, user at other.domain
> ...
> ----
> I need to make a copy to all folders: Dept (because of
> user at dept.example.com), Company (because of user at example.com) and
Rest
> (because of user at other.domain).
>
This should solve the first two:

require "fileinto";
require "relational";

if address :is :domain "To" "dept.example.com" {
    fileinto "Dept";
}

if allof (
  address :value "ne" :domain "To"
"dept.example.com",
  anyof (
    address :matches :domain "To" "*.example.com",
    address :is :domain "To" "example.com")) {
    fileinto "Company";
}

Unfortunately, I cannot find a way to do #3. Perhaps some extremely
convolved regular expression, but I wouldn't want to go there. Basically
one needs to test that at least one of the addresses in the message does
not match *.example.com, but I don't see how that could be achieved.

Regards,

Stephan.

Yanko Hern?ndez ?lvarez skrev den 2013-11-14 19:17:
> I'm loosing my mind trying to classify my outgoing messages with
> sieve-test (2.0.9, centos 6.4). It came to the point I think it's not
> even possible with a sieve script.
before you loose your hair aswell, have you consider trying roundcube on 
localhost ?

and setup it to the problematic domain email server with imap and sieve 
support ?

when it works you have a sieve rule that works :)

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013, Yanko Hern?ndez ?lvarez wrote:
> I'm loosing my mind trying to classify my outgoing messages with
> sieve-test (2.0.9, centos 6.4). It came to the point I think it's not
> even possible with a sieve script.
>
> I need to classify my outgoing messages in three folders:
As others told already, you can filter incoming messages only, but you can 
make outgoing into incoming messages with BCC. You will have to have an 
unique way to identify your BCC'ed messages, however.

E.g.:
a) Add a custom header, say "X-X-Yanko", in your MUA. If possible
remove
that header by your MTA if the message leaves your network
b) use detail (subaddressing), if your MTA allows that: user+detail@
c) use a completely different account that spools into the mail storage of 
your normal account
d) ...
> 3- To the rest of the word (@any.other.domain)
Would the normal "sent" folder be OK? There you would have 1+2+3
merged.

Another idea is in the reply to Stephan's post.

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Ok, let simplify a little bit the problem: Forget about outgoing or
incoming mail. Forget about IMAP or SMTP. You have a ton of emails in
raw form (RFC-XXX, don?t remember the exact number right now) you want
to classify? and you think: ?Sieve is a language made to do exactly
that kind of task? If only I could use the same mechanism dovecot-lda
uses! Oh, wait? ?sieve-test ?e? does exactly that!!! I could use
it!!!?? but so far? no success.

Now, a little more context. I want to leave a copy (a historical
record) of every email (work related) I received/sent. The
processing/classification doesn?t have to be in real time, it can be
on ?down time/offline/later/scheduled?. Sent messages are hard,
because of the several senders and the several copies on several
folders. But I can work around it, with various tricks (bcc, different
headers, etc.) and adjusting the processing sieve script. I can train
myself ?The interest is mine after all!-, and that?s OK. But I can?t
train other people to suit my needs. And received messages are JUST AS
HARD. Because I want to classify them using the same rules. I also
want to keep context, to record all things work related, not only what
I said, but also what was said by others, using the same rules (which
by the way, are many more than the restricted example I posted).
Besides, I want the PC do all the work for me, not the other way
around. I think ?Sieve must be capable of doing it! This is the kind
of things sieve was designed for!? is a reasonable idea. But so far,
no success? :-(

Now, let me see all the replies in detail... (I really appreciate all
the help I'm getting, thank you all very much)

    Yanko




On 11/15/13, Stephan Bosch <stephan at rename-it.nl>
wrote:
> On 11/15/2013 8:41 AM, Steffen Kaiser wrote:
>> Hi Stephan, about #3 how about the variable extension? I never used it
so
>> far, but it should work
>
> Congratulations! You fell into the same trap I did when I first saw this
> problem. :)
>
> Consider this header:
>
> To: user at dept.example.com, user at example.com, user at other.domain
>
>
>> > require "fileinto";
>> > require "relational";
>>
>> require "variables";
>>
>> set "done" "0";
>>
>> > if address :is :domain "To" "dept.example.com"
{
>> >    fileinto "Dept";
>>
>>     set "done" "1";
>>
>> > }
>
> The variable "done" is set to "1", due to the first
address.
>
>> > if allof (
>> >  address :value "ne" :domain "To"
"dept.example.com",
>> >  anyof (
>> >    address :matches :domain "To"
"*.example.com",
>> >    address :is :domain "To" "example.com")) {
>> >    fileinto "Company";
>>
>>     set "done" "1";
>> > }
>
> The variable "done" is set to "1", due to the second
address. And now
> that I think of it, it would also work on the combination of the first
> and the third, making this rule still inadequate.
>
>>   if string :is "${done}" "0" {
>>     fileinto "other";
>>   }
>
> Since "done" is set to "1", the message is not filed
into "other". But
> that is wrong, due to the presence of the third address.
>
> See the core of the problem now? :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Stephan.
>
>