crossbow discuss - Jan 2009 - Crossbow integration with Solaris 10/08

Hi,
>From what I have read, the create-vnic feature in dladm is only available
within the context of crossbow...?

Specifically, what I am wondering is whether it is at all possible to
successfully install crossbow on top of Sun''s "Standard/sunsolve
supported"
Solaris 10/08 rather than OpenSolaris, per. Se....

Is this at all feasible?

Many thanks in advance..

Best regards,

Joe

Joe H-Grosse writes:
> >From what I have read, the create-vnic feature in dladm is only
available
> within the context of crossbow...?
Correct.
> Specifically, what I am wondering is whether it is at all possible to
> successfully install crossbow on top of Sun''s
"Standard/sunsolve supported"
> Solaris 10/08 rather than OpenSolaris, per. Se....
> 
> Is this at all feasible?
No.  It''s like asking to install Solaris 9 on top of Solaris 8.

You can upgrade from Solaris 10 to Solaris Express Community Edition,
which contains those bits, but there''s no version of the code that
will run on top of Solaris 10.  It''s part of the system kernel.

-- 
James Carlson, Solaris Networking              <james.d.carlson at
sun.com>
Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive        71.232W   Vox +1 781 442 2084
MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757   42.496N   Fax +1 781 442 1677

Hi James,

...just hoping...
Anyway, thanks for the response - much appreciated.


Br,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson at sun.com] 
Sent: 07 January 2009 13:37
To: jhg at isnordic.dk
Cc: crossbow-discuss at opensolaris.org
Subject: Re: [crossbow-discuss] Crossbow integration with Solaris 10/08

Joe H-Grosse writes:
> >From what I have read, the create-vnic feature in dladm is only
available
> within the context of crossbow...?
Correct.
> Specifically, what I am wondering is whether it is at all possible to
> successfully install crossbow on top of Sun''s
"Standard/sunsolve
supported"
> Solaris 10/08 rather than OpenSolaris, per. Se....
> 
> Is this at all feasible?
No.  It''s like asking to install Solaris 9 on top of Solaris 8.

You can upgrade from Solaris 10 to Solaris Express Community Edition,
which contains those bits, but there''s no version of the code that
will run on top of Solaris 10.  It''s part of the system kernel.

-- 
James Carlson, Solaris Networking              <james.d.carlson at
sun.com>
Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive        71.232W   Vox +1 781 442 2084
MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757   42.496N   Fax +1 781 442 1677

On 01/07/09 10:00, Joe H-Grosse wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> ...just hoping...
You can do more than that. You can add a Service Record to Change 
Request 6790102, which is a Request for Enhancement to back port VNICs 
to Solaris 10. Its a lot of work, and the purpose of the CR is to 
collect customers'' needs for this, so the best decision where to put 
resources can be made. If you don''t have a support contract, maybe 
another way to offer input is via bugs.opensolaris.org and reference the 
CR above.

Steffen
> Anyway, thanks for the response - much appreciated.
> 
> 
> Br,
> Joe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson at sun.com] 
> Sent: 07 January 2009 13:37
> To: jhg at isnordic.dk
> Cc: crossbow-discuss at opensolaris.org
> Subject: Re: [crossbow-discuss] Crossbow integration with Solaris 10/08
> 
> Joe H-Grosse writes:
>> >From what I have read, the create-vnic feature in dladm is only
available
>> within the context of crossbow...?
> 
> Correct.
> 
>> Specifically, what I am wondering is whether it is at all possible to
>> successfully install crossbow on top of Sun''s
"Standard/sunsolve
> supported"
>> Solaris 10/08 rather than OpenSolaris, per. Se....
>>
>> Is this at all feasible?
> 
> No.  It''s like asking to install Solaris 9 on top of Solaris 8.
> 
> You can upgrade from Solaris 10 to Solaris Express Community Edition,
> which contains those bits, but there''s no version of the code that
> will run on top of Solaris 10.  It''s part of the system kernel.
>

Joe H-Grosse writes:
> Hi James,
> 
> ...just hoping...
> Anyway, thanks for the response - much appreciated.
There''s an RFE for this (6790102), and I can add you to the list of
folks requesting it, but for Solaris 10 issues you should be going
through your Sun support contacts.  Solaris 10 isn''t OpenSolaris.

-- 
James Carlson, Solaris Networking              <james.d.carlson at
sun.com>
Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive        71.232W   Vox +1 781 442 2084
MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757   42.496N   Fax +1 781 442 1677

Steffen Weiberle writes:
> On 01/07/09 10:00, Joe H-Grosse wrote:
> > Hi James,
> > 
> > ...just hoping...
> 
> You can do more than that. You can add a Service Record to Change 
> Request 6790102, which is a Request for Enhancement to back port VNICs 
> to Solaris 10. Its a lot of work, and the purpose of the CR is to 
> collect customers'' needs for this, so the best decision where to
put
> resources can be made. If you don''t have a support contract, maybe
> another way to offer input is via bugs.opensolaris.org and reference the 
> CR above.
bugs.opensolaris.org doesn''t offer a way for anyone to add comments to
an existing bug or to add a new SR.

Please don''t file duplicate bugs; it only makes more work for the few
folks who handle bug triage and ultimately slows things down.
Instead, just contact support or someone else who can help you with
Sun bugster entries.

-- 
James Carlson, Solaris Networking              <james.d.carlson at
sun.com>
Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive        71.232W   Vox +1 781 442 2084
MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757   42.496N   Fax +1 781 442 1677

On 01/07/09 10:42, James Carlson wrote:
> Steffen Weiberle writes:
>> On 01/07/09 10:00, Joe H-Grosse wrote:
>>> Hi James,
>>>
>>> ...just hoping...
>> You can do more than that. You can add a Service Record to Change 
>> Request 6790102, which is a Request for Enhancement to back port VNICs 
>> to Solaris 10. Its a lot of work, and the purpose of the CR is to 
>> collect customers'' needs for this, so the best decision where
to put
>> resources can be made. If you don''t have a support contract,
maybe
>> another way to offer input is via bugs.opensolaris.org and reference
the
>> CR above.
> 
> bugs.opensolaris.org doesn''t offer a way for anyone to add
comments to
> an existing bug or to add a new SR.
> 
> Please don''t file duplicate bugs; it only makes more work for the
few
> folks who handle bug triage and ultimately slows things down.
> Instead, just contact support or someone else who can help you with
> Sun bugster entries.
Thanks for the info, James! I was hoping users could do this themselves.

I do have bugster access and would also be willing to add SRs to it. 
Please contact me directly if you are not able to use the support route. 
I would need name, company, priority, justification (such as your 
business impact), etc. The more info the better.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Steffen Weiberle
<Steffen.Weiberle at sun.com> wrote:
> On 01/07/09 10:42, James Carlson wrote:
>> Steffen Weiberle writes:
>>> On 01/07/09 10:00, Joe H-Grosse wrote:
>>>> Hi James,
>>>>
>>>> ...just hoping...
>>> You can do more than that. You can add a Service Record to Change
>>> Request 6790102, which is a Request for Enhancement to back port
VNICs
>>> to Solaris 10. Its a lot of work, and the purpose of the CR is to
>>> collect customers'' needs for this, so the best decision
where to put
>>> resources can be made. If you don''t have a support
contract, maybe
>>> another way to offer input is via bugs.opensolaris.org and
reference the
>>> CR above.
>>
>> bugs.opensolaris.org doesn''t offer a way for anyone to add
comments to
>> an existing bug or to add a new SR.
>>
>> Please don''t file duplicate bugs; it only makes more work for
the few
>> folks who handle bug triage and ultimately slows things down.
>> Instead, just contact support or someone else who can help you with
>> Sun bugster entries.
>
> Thanks for the info, James! I was hoping users could do this themselves.
>
> I do have bugster access and would also be willing to add SRs to it.
> Please contact me directly if you are not able to use the support route.
> I would need name, company, priority, justification (such as your
> business impact), etc. The more info the better.
Crossbow is indeed very nice and having it available in Solaris 10
would be good. But I assume this is a lot of work. Just out of
interest, will Crossbow be part of Solaris 11? And is there already a
targeted release date for it?

Marcus

On 01/08/09 10:55, Marcus wrote:
> Crossbow is indeed very nice and having it available in Solaris 10
> would be good. But I assume this is a lot of work. Just out of
> interest, will Crossbow be part of Solaris 11? And is there already a
> targeted release date for it?
> 
> Marcus
Solaris Express (SXCE now, the other version (SXDE) has been replaced by 
OpenSolaris) is the bi-weekly snapshot of what will in most part become 
the next release of Solaris.

I can''t speak for a timeframe for a release date.

Hi Steffen,

Thanks.

FYI - My initial goal was to evaluate  the create-vnic facility in dladm (in
the context of an initiative to re-architect an existing systems
provisioning paradigm to provide more flexibility in service support with
e.g. greater autonomy for "system owners" within zones and a  more
mature/feature rich consolidation model, etc.).  As an initial pre-requisite
I wanted to run load-test/soak test comparisons of a vnic and a
"standard"
interface (exclusively assigned) within a zone to quantify any performance
variances between the two.

Our experience is with Solaris; that is what we have under contract and what
our Customers by default select to run their mission critical applications
on. For these reasons and a few others, it therefore initially seemed the
optimal approach to see if it was possible to "bolt"/splice Crossbow
into
the Solaris 10 kernel, rather than switching to OpenSolaris. 

Anyway,  I guess on review the approach is to wait for the Crossbow features
I need to be integrated with Standard Solaris ...and hope it happens soon
enough to be leveraged.

Thanks once again for all the help and info.

Br,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Steffen.Weiberle at Sun.COM [mailto:Steffen.Weiberle at Sun.COM] 
Sent: 08 January 2009 16:47
To: crossbow-discuss at opensolaris.org
Cc: jhg at isnordic.dk
Subject: Re: [crossbow-discuss] Crossbow integration with Solaris 10/08

On 01/07/09 10:42, James Carlson wrote:
> Steffen Weiberle writes:
>> On 01/07/09 10:00, Joe H-Grosse wrote:
>>> Hi James,
>>>
>>> ...just hoping...
>> You can do more than that. You can add a Service Record to Change 
>> Request 6790102, which is a Request for Enhancement to back port VNICs 
>> to Solaris 10. Its a lot of work, and the purpose of the CR is to 
>> collect customers'' needs for this, so the best decision where
to put
>> resources can be made. If you don''t have a support contract,
maybe
>> another way to offer input is via bugs.opensolaris.org and reference
the
>> CR above.
> 
> bugs.opensolaris.org doesn''t offer a way for anyone to add
comments to
> an existing bug or to add a new SR.
> 
> Please don''t file duplicate bugs; it only makes more work for the
few
> folks who handle bug triage and ultimately slows things down.
> Instead, just contact support or someone else who can help you with
> Sun bugster entries.
Thanks for the info, James! I was hoping users could do this themselves.

I do have bugster access and would also be willing to add SRs to it. 
Please contact me directly if you are not able to use the support route. 
I would need name, company, priority, justification (such as your 
business impact), etc. The more info the better.