Its really a matter of developing an intuitive method of interaction with the
environment. Its very feasible and something that is easily realised. The
methods are tried and tested in games systems, 3D editors and even 3D file
managers. Thus, there are no new technical aspects, its merely the packaging of
those features into a desktop interface.
=20
The business applications can be helpful if used properly, however, the biggest
usage will be the domestic home user. The concept of a public desktop space (or
virtual room), that can be shared across the Internet, will add to social
networking model. It will also lead to new paradigms in terms of web
interaction, navigation and information exchange.
=20
One other major benefit will be the promotion of both X and the Linux platform
in general. To use these new features, end user's Operating Systems will
need to be compatible with X. Whilst I'm sure limited interfaces could be
designed for Windows desktops, it will function a lot better as a native Linux
user.
=20
There is a chance here to leave the competing Operating Systems for dust and to
force their hand in terms of inter-operability.Carpe diem.
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:02:47 -0400From: vperetokin at gmail.comTo:
markmccarron_itt at hotmail.comSubject: Re: [compiz] Feature RequestCC: srhlefty
at gmail.com; compiz at lists.freedesktop.orgI had a similar idea, but I think
they said it wasn't too feasible much on the forums.Why do you capitalize
"window" though?I really like your business applications for this -
they really do sound very good. This'll be excellent.=20
On 10/19/07, Mark McCarron <markmccarron_itt at hotmail.com> wrote:=20
Good questions. I have a few suggestions that may help, I'm sure the Compiz
developers will be able to structure the controls much better. So, take this as
a basis from which to begin. There would be two basic modes, the first mode
would be free space, that is, your mouse guides you through the desktop space.
Upon selecting a window, you would enter the second mode, the mouse controls
would now act upon the selected Window. A simple left-click in free space would
return the user to the first mode. I would expect the user to be able walk
around the environment similar to any FPS. Movement can either be provided by a
mouse click providing acceleration, or via keyboard controls again similar to
any FPS. As windows are objects, perhaps they should have a small control on the
border of the windows that can be manipulated by the mouse. This control would
allow the user to alter each of dimensions independently. A small clickable
X,Y,Z object would work well. This control could be expanded to allow for
rotation and scaling of the object. A quick switch utility is something that is
definitely required. Whilst the freedom aspect is good, the desktop must
provide a productive environment. I like the wall utility too, I find it very
handy. I would expect this to look at the space from above and provide the user
with a sense of where each window is located as well as a bitmap preview. There
should also be support for the direct loading and rendering of meshes. This is
both for decoration and as a tool for work environments. Collaborative design
work, even across multiple vendors, would become very easy. Architects would be
able to work on designs with real-time client input, car designers would be able
to work as team, etc. I'm not suggesting a full editing environment, just a
basic viewer that supports major formats. =20
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:33:58 -0700From: srhlefty at gmail.comTo:
markmccarron_itt at hotmail.com; compiz at lists.freedesktop.orgSubject: Re:
[compiz] Feature Request=20
This is an interesting idea. How would the user control how the windows move in
the depth dimension? Would the user actually "walk" around such a
space? With such a large space, how would one get to a particular window
quickly, i.e. is there still a switcher?A 2D slice of such a space reminds me a
lot of the current "Wall" plugin that compiz has, and is one of my
favorites.
On 10/18/07, Mark McCarron <markmccarron_itt at hotmail.com> wrote:=20
Hi Guys, I have been thinking of a new style of interface that could be added to
Compiz. Essentially, rather than having a desktop, the user would be presented
with a space in which to work. This space would be several meters wide in real
terms and the user could navigate the space in a similar fashion to a 3D game.
Windows could be grabbed and thrown throughout the space, providing a very large
workspace. This would also allow the user to physically arrange Windows in the
space according to particular tasks or functions. A simple double-click of a
Window would cause it to snap into full 2D view were the application can be
worked upon. The concept of multiple desktops, could be implemented as multiple
spaces. Given the network transparency of X, it would also allow for the
concept of a public space. A public space would be a desktop that is shared
either across a LAN or Internet. This has both business and personal
applications. In terms of business, it can be used for presentations, reviewing
designs, etc. In terms of personal use, it would open a new area to social
networking, desktop surfing. End users could store images, videos and a range
of interactive items that members of the public can view or download. I realise
that this can prove to be a bandwidth hog, but like everything in computer
world, this will only improve with time and become less of an issue.=20
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'>From a technical perspective, its no
more complex than Compiz already is. Its really a matter of developing
an intuitive method of interaction with the environment. Its very
feasible and something that is easily realised. The methods are tried
and tested in games systems, 3D editors and even 3D file
managers. Thus, there are no new technical aspects,
its merely the packaging of those features into a desktop interface.<BR>
<BR>
The business applications can be helpful if used properly, however, the biggest
usage will be the domestic home user. The concept of a public desktop
space (or virtual room), that can be shared across the Internet, will add to
social networking model. It will also lead to new
paradigms in terms of web interaction, navigation and
information exchange.<BR>
<BR>
One other major benefit will be the promotion of both X and the Linux platform
in general. To use these new features, end user's Operating
Systems will need to be compatible with X. Whilst I'm sure limited
interfaces could be designed for Windows desktops, it will function a lot better
as a native Linux user.<BR>
<BR>
There is a chance here to leave the competing Operating Systems for dust and to
force their hand in terms of inter-operability.<BR><BR>Carpe
diem.<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR id=3DEC_stopSpelling>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:02:47 -0400<BR>From: vperetokin at
gmail.com<BR>To: markmccarron_itt at hotmail.com<BR>Subject: Re:
[compiz] Feature Request<BR>CC: srhlefty at gmail.com; compiz at
lists.freedesktop.org<BR><BR>I had a similar idea, but I think they
said it wasn't too feasible much on the forums.<BR><BR>Why do
you capitalize "window" though?<BR><BR>I really like your
business applications for this - they really do sound very good. This'll be
excellent. <BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_gmail_quote>On 10/19/07, <B
class=3DEC_gmail_sendername>Mark McCarron</B> <<A
href=3D"mailto:markmccarron_itt at hotmail.com">markmccarron_itt at
hotmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3DEC_gmail_quote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex">
<DIV>Good questions. I have a few suggestions that may help,
I'm sure the Compiz developers will be able to structure the controls much
better. So, take this as a basis from which to
begin.<BR> <BR>There would be two basic modes, the first
mode would be free space, that is, your mouse guides you through the desktop
space. Upon selecting a window, you would enter the second mode, the
mouse controls would now act upon the selected Window. A simple
left-click in free space would return the user to the first mode.
<BR> <BR>I would expect the user to be able walk around the
environment similar to any FPS. Movement can either be provided by a
mouse click providing acceleration, or via keyboard controls again similar to
any FPS.<BR> <BR>As windows are objects, perhaps they
should have a small control on the border of the windows that can be manipulated
by the mouse. This control would allow the user to alter each of
dimensions independently. A small clickable X,Y,Z object would work
well. This control could be expanded to allow for rotation and scaling
of the object. <BR> <BR>A quick switch utility is something
that is definitely required. Whilst the freedom aspect is good, the
desktop must provide a productive environment. I like the wall utility
too, I find it very handy. I would expect this to look at the space
from above and provide the user with a sense of where each window is located as
well as a bitmap preview. <BR> <BR>There should also be
support for the direct loading and rendering of meshes. This is both
for decoration and as a tool for work environments. Collaborative
design work, even across multiple vendors, would become very easy.
Architects would be able to work on designs with real-time client input, car
designers would be able to work as team, etc. I'm not suggesting a
full editing environment, just a basic viewer that supports major formats.
<BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:33:58 -0700<BR>From: <A
href=3D"mailto:srhlefty at gmail.com">srhlefty at
gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href=3D"mailto:markmccarron_itt@hotmail.com">markmccarron_itt at
hotmail.com</A>; <A href=3D"mailto:compiz at
lists.freedesktop.org">compiz at
lists.freedesktop.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [compiz] Feature
Request=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_e
id=3DEC_q_115b6a8ea42fb95d_1><BR><BR>This is an interesting
idea. How would the user control how the windows move in the depth
dimension? Would the user actually "walk" around such a
space? With such a large space, how would one get to a particular
window quickly, i.e. is there still a switcher?<BR><BR>A 2D slice of
such a space reminds me a lot of the current "Wall" plugin that compiz
has, and is one of my favorites.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN>On 10/18/07, <B>Mark McCarron</B>
<<A href=3D"mailto:markmccarron_itt at
hotmail.com">markmccarron_itt at hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex">
<DIV>Hi Guys,<BR> <BR>I have been thinking of a new
style of interface that could be added to Compiz. Essentially, rather
than having a desktop, the user would be presented with a space in which to
work. This space would be several meters wide in real terms and the
user could navigate the space in a similar fashion to a 3D game.
<BR> <BR>Windows could be grabbed and thrown throughout the
space, providing a very large workspace. This would also allow the
user to physically arrange Windows in the space according to particular tasks or
functions. A simple double-click of a Window would cause it to snap
into full 2D view were the application can be worked upon.
<BR> <BR>The concept of multiple desktops, could be
implemented as multiple spaces. Given the network transparency of X,
it would also allow for the concept of a public space. A public space
would be a desktop that is shared either across a LAN or Internet.
This has both business and personal applications. In terms of
business, it can be used for presentations, reviewing designs, etc. In
terms of personal use, it would open a new area to social networking, desktop
surfing. End users could store images, videos and a range of
interactive items that members of the public can view or download.
<BR> <BR>I realise that this can prove to be a bandwidth
hog, but like everything in computer world, this will only improve with
time and become less of an issue. <BR><SPAN><BR>
<HR>
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