> Am 25.01.2021 um 17:04 schrieb Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org>: > > On 1/22/21 5:12 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >> On 1/22/21 9:29 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: >>>> Hence it is as good as dead in my mind when looking into the future, I >>>> am looking for future distro of choice. >>> >>> A little mentioned choice would be openSUSE, which is direction I am taking. >> >> I do not like system where configuration app can overwrite manualy set >> config. I started with ClarkConnect in 2005-2006 and to route public >> subnet into my network I had to delete last iptables command then add my >> own, but only after config system did it's own iptables commands. I had >> to learn iptables before any other Linux commands and although I >> mastered it, it is left in unpleasant memory (it took me weeks and help >> from rare Linux admins to find a solution). >> >> I did try SUSE around 2000 but it was complicated to do manual changes >> (if it was not provided in YAST), so after ClarkConnect I had no desire >> to even experiment with YAST. >> >> > > I have no issues with OpenSUSE .. but how is OpenSUSE any better than > CentOS Stream?openSUSE is honest. The CentOS project, RedHat, you, lied to us when you published CentOS 8 and claiming it would be supported until 2029. We believed you because of the good reputation you had built up with previous CentOS releases. We suggested CentOS 8 to our customers. And we have been badly f***ed the a**. Sorry for the wording that you may assume, but that is how it is.> It is not like we are rolling rawhide packages into CentOS Stream. They > are updating already created Enterprise Packages in current RHEL with > Bug Fixes and Security Fixes and a small number of rebases (Enhamcments > Fixes). But the enhancements are not from Rawhide, they are rebases > very close to the current releases. > > Again .. absolutely nothing wrong with using OpenSUSE (or Ubuntu or > Debian, etc). I just do not see the advantage.I see one big advantage: These are honest projects, while you are liars.> > I mean, I get it, some people are very upset with the new way CentOS is > being done. And obviously people get to think what they think. But > when this was announced, it was also announced that RHEL was going to be > opened up early in Q1 of 2021 (which has happened and is still happening).So where is the option to install a RHEL system at a customer site, like I was able with CentOS? Really, you (as in the CentOS project) totally screwed it.> _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 09:05:12PM +0100, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote:> > We suggested CentOS 8 to our customers. And we have been badly f***ed > the a**. Sorry for the wording that you may assume, but that is how it is.Could you at least pretend to be professional when posting to our lists?> Really, you (as in the CentOS project) totally screwed it.Really, you, (as in you) totally don't get it. *CentOS* didn't do this thing; *Red Hat* did this thing. Go blame them. John -- If there is an embarrassment equivalent of post-traumatic stress disorder, South Carolina has it. -- Dick Harpootlian, former state Democratic chairman, on its recent politics, New York Times, 12 June 2010 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20210125/1510b5a4/attachment-0005.sig>
On 25/01/2021 20:05, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote:> > >> Am 25.01.2021 um 17:04 schrieb Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org>: >> >> >> I mean, I get it, some people are very upset with the new way CentOS is >> being done. And obviously people get to think what they think. But >> when this was announced, it was also announced that RHEL was going to be >> opened up early in Q1 of 2021 (which has happened and is still happening). > > So where is the option to install a RHEL system at a customer site, like I was > able with CentOS? >Unless I'm misunderstanding Red Hat's offer of 16 free licenses, I'm assuming you can install free RHEL for the customer, and that will form one of their (your customer's) 16 free entitlements. Unless your customer needs more than 16 free entitlements? I'm assuming your customer has the relationship with Red Hat and entitlement to 16 free copies, and you are their sub-contracted IT professional responsible for installation and maintaining / supporting that installation. Obviously if your customer requires in excess of 16 copies, this offer from Red Hat is not going to work for them, or you.
On 1/25/21 2:05 PM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote:> > >> Am 25.01.2021 um 17:04 schrieb Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org>: >> >> On 1/22/21 5:12 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >>> On 1/22/21 9:29 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: >>>>> Hence it is as good as dead in my mind when looking into the future, I >>>>> am looking for future distro of choice. >>>> >>>> A little mentioned choice would be openSUSE, which is direction I am taking. >>> >>> I do not like system where configuration app can overwrite manualy set >>> config. I started with ClarkConnect in 2005-2006 and to route public >>> subnet into my network I had to delete last iptables command then add my >>> own, but only after config system did it's own iptables commands. I had >>> to learn iptables before any other Linux commands and although I >>> mastered it, it is left in unpleasant memory (it took me weeks and help >>> from rare Linux admins to find a solution). >>> >>> I did try SUSE around 2000 but it was complicated to do manual changes >>> (if it was not provided in YAST), so after ClarkConnect I had no desire >>> to even experiment with YAST. >>> >>> >> >> I have no issues with OpenSUSE .. but how is OpenSUSE any better than >> CentOS Stream? > > openSUSE is honest. > > The CentOS project, RedHat, you, lied to us when you published CentOS 8 > and claiming it would be supported until 2029. We believed you because of > the good reputation you had built up with previous CentOS releases. > > We suggested CentOS 8 to our customers. And we have been badly f***ed > the a**. Sorry for the wording that you may assume, but that is how it is. > >> It is not like we are rolling rawhide packages into CentOS Stream. They >> are updating already created Enterprise Packages in current RHEL with >> Bug Fixes and Security Fixes and a small number of rebases (Enhamcments >> Fixes). But the enhancements are not from Rawhide, they are rebases >> very close to the current releases. >> >> Again .. absolutely nothing wrong with using OpenSUSE (or Ubuntu or >> Debian, etc). I just do not see the advantage. > > I see one big advantage: These are honest projects, while you are liars. >I am a lot of things (ask my ex-wife), but a liar is not one of them. I could care less if what you use, but name calling is juvenile. So was the language you used. This is a professional list. If you can't maintain some semblance of professionalism, please unsubscribe.>> >> I mean, I get it, some people are very upset with the new way CentOS is >> being done. And obviously people get to think what they think. But >> when this was announced, it was also announced that RHEL was going to be >> opened up early in Q1 of 2021 (which has happened and is still happening). > > So where is the option to install a RHEL system at a customer site, like I was > able with CentOS? > > Really, you (as in the CentOS project) totally screwed it. >