Le 22/01/2021 ? 18:04, Valeri Galtsev a ?crit :> I tried SUSE maybe 2-3 years later than you (around 2003). The first thing I > disliked was: they have yast on top of standard configurations. First of > all, it is quite unpleasant to deal with: infinitely long single file > containing all configs. Next, you change one single thing, and yast to > enable your change touches all config files. Some time after you made some > change you discover something (unrelated) doesn?t work anymore, and you can > not use timestamps to investigate when bad change happened and how. I was > joking about SUSE with my German friends: how come German tool is named as > abbreviation of English (yet another system tool), not German?All the hardcore distribution users out there (Slackware, Arch, Gentoo, Crux, FreeBSD) like to make fun of YaST. Ever tried to connect any Linux or BSD desktop to an LDAPS server running Red Hat Directory Server for authentication? With YaST it's done in less than 30 seconds in half a dozen mouse clicks, and it JustWorks(tm). I know because I'm using it in our local school. Now try and do the same thing on Debian, FreeBSD, Slackware or one of the *buntus. You'll get a vague idea of what hell looks like. :o) -- Microlinux - Solutions informatiques durables 7, place de l'?glise - 30730 Montpezat Site : https://www.microlinux.fr Blog : https://blog.microlinux.fr Mail : info at microlinux.fr T?l. : 04 66 63 10 32 Mob. : 06 51 80 12 12
On 1/22/21 11:42 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:> Le 22/01/2021 ? 18:04, Valeri Galtsev a ?crit : >> I tried SUSE maybe 2-3 years later than you (around 2003). The first thing I >> disliked was: they have yast on top of standard configurations. First of >> all, it is quite unpleasant to deal with: infinitely long single file >> containing all configs. Next, you change one single thing, and yast to >> enable your change touches all config files. Some time after you made some >> change you discover something (unrelated) doesn?t work anymore, and you can >> not use timestamps to investigate when bad change happened and how. I was >> joking about SUSE with my German friends: how come German tool is named as >> abbreviation of English (yet another system tool), not German? > > All the hardcore distribution users out there (Slackware, Arch, Gentoo, Crux, > FreeBSD) like to make fun of YaST. >Never heard FreeBSD folks making fun of anybody else, including SUSE. And I'm on their lists for very long time. I would say they are the most generous, considerate, and forgiving folk of all technical lists I have been on. Valeri> Ever tried to connect any Linux or BSD desktop to an LDAPS server running Red > Hat Directory Server for authentication? > > With YaST it's done in less than 30 seconds in half a dozen mouse clicks, and > it JustWorks(tm). > > I know because I'm using it in our local school. > > Now try and do the same thing on Debian, FreeBSD, Slackware or one of the > *buntus. You'll get a vague idea of what hell looks like. > > :o) >-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
? 18:42 +0100 ?? 22.01.2021 (??), Nicolas Kovacs ??????:> Le 22/01/2021 ? 18:04, Valeri Galtsev a ?crit : > > I tried SUSE maybe 2-3 years later than you (around 2003). The > > first thing I > > disliked was: they have yast on top of standard configurations. > > First of > > all, it is quite unpleasant to deal with: infinitely long single > > file > > containing all configs. Next, you change one single thing, and yast > > to > > enable your change touches all config files.You need to create extra ".local" files to preserve your customizations. Totally different from RHEL.> All the hardcore distribution users out there (Slackware, Arch, > Gentoo, Crux, > FreeBSD) like to make fun of YaST. > > Ever tried to connect any Linux or BSD desktop to an LDAPS server > running Red > Hat Directory Server for authentication? > > With YaST it's done in less than 30 seconds in half a dozen mouse > clicks, and > it JustWorks(tm).I can confirm that YAST is quite powerful and I wish it was like 'smitty' (AIX) and allow you to invoke it with command line params. openSUSE has one big benefit which we do not have with CentOS -> you can upgrade your openSUSE to pure SUSE (if you need subscription) and you will be fully supported. RH refused to do that with CentOS - always reinstall. Also, openSUSE/SUSE introduced booting and reverting from a snapshot. Now RH is on the same path with the "BOOM Boot Manager". Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov