Brendan Conoboy
2020-Dec-09 14:32 UTC
[CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:41 AM Pete Biggs <pete at biggs.org.uk> wrote:> > I think what a lot of people are concerned about is the rolling-release > > > aspect of this. There will be no definitive versioning of CentOS in the > > > future - all you will be able to say is "fully updated" and it won't be > > > possible to slot a CentOS system in to exactly match a RHEL version. > > > Will third party RPMs built against RHEL 8.x be installable on a CentOS > > > 8 Stream system? The answer is surely "it depends", but there are a lot > > > of hardware vendors that target drivers to RHEL releases, which may > > > well make CentOS non-viable for hardware that doesn't have drivers > > > built in to the kernel. > > > > Generally if they follow the ABI guidelines I would expect it to work. > > Those are here: > https://access.redhat.com/articles/rhel8-abi-compatibility > > > > For loadable kernel modules there's a kernel ABI. > > Yes, and many things work well. My most recent issue was that kit > supplied by HPE (sorry, it's pain is stuck in my mind) had a RAID > controller that needs a driver disk during install - doing the install > time drivers is not a problem, the problem is that they don't support > CentOS, hence I had to use a RHEL driver and out of the 5 available for > RHEL7/8, only one of them worked with a CentOS release. HPE support > don't want to know because they don't support CentOS. > > I know this comes under the heading of "Corporate RedHat Policy", but > is RedHat going to do the right thing by CentOS 8 Stream to the level > of lobbying other behemoth corporations such as HPE or Dell to support > it? >As CentOS Stream grows, I expect many companies who sell hardware will become active members of the community. -- Brendan Conoboy / Linux Project Lead / Red Hat, Inc.
Nikolaos Milas
2020-Dec-09 14:41 UTC
[CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
On 9/12/2020 4:32 ?.?., Brendan Conoboy wrote:> As CentOS Stream grows, I expect many companies who sell hardware will > become active members of the community.Probably, but this is not the point. The value of CentOS is that in essence it is identical to RHEL. This allows its use in multiple scenarios which the new CentOS Stream will not be able to support any more, due to its nature. You may want to read comments at: https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ and: https://www.change.org/p/centos-governing-board-do-not-destroy-centos-by-using-it-as-a-rhel-upstream to realize why this change will make it unsuitable in most of its current usage scenarios. Cheers, Nick
mark
2020-Dec-10 16:28 UTC
[CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
On 12/9/20 9:32 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:41 AM Pete Biggs <pete at biggs.org.uk> wrote: > >>> I think what a lot of people are concerned about is the rolling-release >>>> aspect of this. There will be no definitive versioning of CentOS in the >>>> future - all you will be able to say is "fully updated" and it won't be<snip>> As CentOS Stream grows, I expect many companies who sell hardware will > become active members of the community. >I expect them to leave. In the real world, we had EXTREMELY limited windows to update servers and workstations. To expect people to do daily updates is asking for management, as well as the users, to scream bloody murder. Most are *not* that technical, and will start blaming the update for something else not working, and management will hear *them*. I was chased off RH after RH 9, when it went to pay for licenses (and I was "between positions"), and came back, because I *like* the RH architecture. but I'm considering ubuntu now. mark