CentOS - Dec 2020 - [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

On 09/12/2020 09:26, centos at niob.at wrote:
> On 09/12/2020 07:16, Kingsly John wrote:
>>
>> A non-paying CentOS user is not a real loss for RHEL. But people
dumping
>> CentOS for a non-RHEL clone is definitely going to impact their future
>> revenues as they are losing mindshare/goodwill/easy migration etc.
> 
> And worse: Without CentOS being used widely (junior) admins will have 
> even less experience dealing with RHEL. This will result in lower 
> quality deployments of RHEL, reducing overall security of those systems 
> and it will reduce RHEL adoption, hitting RH/IBM where it hurts them most.
> 
> I am seeing this in practice already with juniors - they all use Ubuntu 
> on their personal systems and they hate having to deal with RHEL. And 
> their opinions matter in the long run.
> 
> 
> peter
> 
And exactly the same applies to senior (or retired) admins on their home 
computers.  My main home machine runs about a dozen testbed VMs, 
DHCP/DNS for the home network, Amanda, NFS and Samba for other machines, 
ownCloud, Apache, Zotero and DokuWiki for the family.  I want a stable 
server under that lot, not a beta release.

-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Oh, that's right, it's 2020, the dumpster fire of a year.

On 12/9/20 4:40 AM, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote:
> 
> On 09/12/2020 09:26, centos at niob.at wrote:
>> On 09/12/2020 07:16, Kingsly John wrote:
>>>
>>> A non-paying CentOS user is not a real loss for RHEL. But people
dumping
>>> CentOS for a non-RHEL clone is definitely going to impact their
future
>>> revenues as they are losing mindshare/goodwill/easy migration etc.
<snip>>
>> I am seeing this in practice already with juniors - they all use 
>> Ubuntu on their personal systems and they hate having to deal with 
>> RHEL. And their opinions matter in the long run.
>>
> And exactly the same applies to senior (or retired) admins on their home 
> computers.? My main home machine runs about a dozen testbed VMs, 
> DHCP/DNS for the home network, Amanda, NFS and Samba for other machines, 
> ownCloud, Apache, Zotero and DokuWiki for the family.? I want a stable 
> server under that lot, not a beta release.
> 
Retired sr. Linux admin here also, also running CentOS at home. Moved to 
7 this past summer (really dislike sstemd, hung onto 6 as long as possible).

What I find outright offensive is that I see someone posted the specs 
for the Board... and #2 was "community outreach".

Can someone point me to a post, ONE SINGLE POST, before this 
announcement, saying that this was being considered? That this might 
possibly happen?

Show me that this was not just presented to the community as a fait 
accompli, non-negotiable.

	mark

On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 09:40:22AM +0000, J Martin Rushton via CentOS
wrote:
> And exactly the same applies to senior (or retired) admins on their
> home computers.  My main home machine runs about a dozen testbed
> VMs, DHCP/DNS for the home network, Amanda, NFS and Samba for other
> machines, ownCloud, Apache, Zotero and DokuWiki for the family.  I
> want a stable server under that lot, not a beta release.
CentOS Stream will not be a "beta release". That's not how RHEL
minor
release development works. I personally think that it's going to be stellar
for your exact use case.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm at fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader