On 20/06/20 3:29 am, Johnny Hughes wrote:> How is this going to be fixed .. Welcome to CentOS Stream > > Stream will be , once it is fully implemented, the ACTUAL development of > RHEL the 'next point release' on git.centos.org in the open.So basically stream is a testing ground for RHEL. It's not actually a rebuild of RHEL since it's what comes *before* RHEL, not after.> It will be a rolling distro that is GOING to be the Source Code used for > next RHEL point release. > > Therefore, we will have all package as they are being worked on by the > RHEL Engineers .. and you can see it happen in progress. You can also > use it however you want. There will be no delay i this at all. It will > be constantly moving. There will be no 500 pacakges drop or delays.This is all well and good, but I don't think that CentOS was ever meant to be a testing ground for RHEL. As the name actually stands for it is a "Community Enterprise OS" and it has always been a rebuild of the RHEL sources. Stream is basically RHEL Rolling Beta, and that can hardly be considered "Enterprise". I and I think many others find this focus on Stream to be rather distressing, and it does have the appearance to be taking focus away from the core OS. This is further evidenced by the long wait times for release. The way I see it, Red Hat pays the bills now, Red Hat employs the core team, and Red Hat wants a RHEL Beta platform, so that is what they have decreed that CentOS will become. Now I could be wrong here because I certainly don't have any inside information about this, but it seems from teh outside looking in that any progress on the core OS is incidental and time spent on it has to be time leftover after any work is done on Stream. Now I don't have an issue with Stream, in fact I think taht Stream can be beneficial to CentOS, but it hsould not be at the expense of the core OS, imo. The core OS should take priority over any other CentOS project, whether it be streams, or SIGs or anything else, because we can't really have a Community Enterprise OS without the core OS. Peter
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 5:41 AM Peter <peter at pajamian.dhs.org> wrote:> On 20/06/20 3:29 am, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > How is this going to be fixed .. Welcome to CentOS Stream > > > > Stream will be , once it is fully implemented, the ACTUAL development of > > RHEL the 'next point release' on git.centos.org in the open. > > So basically stream is a testing ground for RHEL. It's not actually a > rebuild of RHEL since it's what comes *before* RHEL, not after. > > > It will be a rolling distro that is GOING to be the Source Code used for > > next RHEL point release. > > > > Therefore, we will have all package as they are being worked on by the > > RHEL Engineers .. and you can see it happen in progress. You can also > > use it however you want. There will be no delay i this at all. It will > > be constantly moving. There will be no 500 pacakges drop or delays. > > This is all well and good, but I don't think that CentOS was ever meant > to be a testing ground for RHEL. As the name actually stands for it is > a "Community Enterprise OS" and it has always been a rebuild of the RHEL > sources. Stream is basically RHEL Rolling Beta, and that can hardly be > considered "Enterprise". > > I and I think many others find this focus on Stream to be rather > distressing, and it does have the appearance to be taking focus away > from the core OS. This is further evidenced by the long wait times for > release. > > The way I see it, Red Hat pays the bills now, Red Hat employs the core > team, and Red Hat wants a RHEL Beta platform, so that is what they have > decreed that CentOS will become. Now I could be wrong here because I > certainly don't have any inside information about this, but it seems > from teh outside looking in that any progress on the core OS is > incidental and time spent on it has to be time leftover after any work > is done on Stream. > > Now I don't have an issue with Stream, in fact I think taht Stream can > be beneficial to CentOS, but it hsould not be at the expense of the core > OS, imo. The core OS should take priority over any other CentOS > project, whether it be streams, or SIGs or anything else, because we > can't really have a Community Enterprise OS without the core OS. > > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos+1 Streams is not for a production workload, if I wanted that I can easily deploy an Arch instance if I want or need a rolling distro (it's not Redhat etc but still). If Redhat wanted CentOS to be released near the same time line they could help make that happen, although that wouldn't be in there best financial interest. Now maybe there will be a way to set streams up to only get security updates and then when they release the .1 release you could update and have everything update. If something like that could be worked out that would work for me but I would only want security updates in between and I'm not sure if that is possible.>
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 5:41 AM Peter <peter at pajamian.dhs.org> wrote:> > This is all well and good, but I don't think that CentOS was ever meant > to be a testing ground for RHEL. As the name actually stands for it is > a "Community Enterprise OS" and it has always been a rebuild of the RHEL > sources. Stream is basically RHEL Rolling Beta, and that can hardly be > considered "Enterprise". > > I and I think many others find this focus on Stream to be rather > distressing, and it does have the appearance to be taking focus away > from the core OS. This is further evidenced by the long wait times for > release. >I have to shake my head at this. You're telling the guy who builds, and had built, CentOS for years what the project is and where it is going? He told you what Stream is and what it will be used for already. It is the new future of the OS. That's it. You're arguing semantics about having Enterprise in the name, while ignoring that it's still Enterprise Linux, even if it's not the final end product because it is the future source project of Enterprise Linux.
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 4:08 AM Tom Bishop <bishoptf at gmail.com> wrote:> +1 Streams is not for a production workload, if I wanted that I can easily > deploy an Arch instance if I want or need a rolling distro (it's not Redhat > etc but still). If Redhat wanted CentOS to be released near the same time > line they could help make that happen, although that wouldn't be in there > best financial interest.think of it this way ... when the rolling beta is done, the final release will be done with no further delay. -- -john r pierce recycling used bits in santa cruz