On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:20, Tobias Kirchhofer wrote:>>>> we experience difficulties with crond behaviour sending mail since >>>> CentOS 8.1. The cron job is the same like we used in CentOS 7. > > Meanwhile we found the reason for the bug - actually we do not know if > it is related to a specific version of CentOS or a specific kind of > command as cron job. > > Let me explain what we have: > > - sssd for ssh login of ldap user > - crond for cron jobs :) > > If we stop sssd and restart crond cron starts to send mails again! > > We started with sssd on newly provisioned machines with CentOS 8. We > do not know if this is the same on CentOS 7. > > We send mails only to root. So no remote user is involved in cron. > > From our perspective it is a bug. How could we dive deeper to find the > specific reason?To sum it up: - Install CentOS 8 - Enabled and started crond - crond sends emails properly - Enable and start sssd - crond stops sending emails and starts journal logging - Restart crond (or reboot) - crond sends emails and stops journal logging It is a matter of order. At boot time crond starts after sssd. This situation is bearable if you know it but has cost us some hours. Thanks for reading and sorry for this public clarification process ;) Tobias> What do you think about this? > > Tobias > > > On 21 Mar 2020, at 11:56, Tobias Kirchhofer wrote: > >> On 27 Feb 2020, at 14:42, Jonathan Billings wrote: >> >>> On Feb 27, 2020, at 08:01, Tobias Kirchhofer <collect at shift.agency> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi, >>>> >>>> we experience difficulties with crond behaviour sending mail since >>>> CentOS 8.1. The cron job is the same like we used in CentOS 7. >>>> >>>> crontab -l >>>> /usr/bin/python3 -c 'import random; import time; >>>> time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)' && /usr/local/bin/backup.sh >>> >>> Is this literally what your crontab looks like? Because that?s >>> not valid crontab syntax. >> >> This is what it is literally: >> >> 0 5 * * * /usr/bin/python3 -c 'import random; import time; >> time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)' && /usr/local/bin/backup.sh >> >>>> backup.sh writes the backup to the remote backup server. There are >>>> around 30 machines with the same cron job. The python part spreads >>>> the jobs over an hour so that the backup server is not struck at >>>> once from about 30 machines. >>>> >>>> The change in behaviour is that crond sends no mail anymore. It is >>>> because of the logical and (&&). Without this crond sends mails. >>>> >>>> What has changed in CentOS 8 and does anyone has an idea how we >>>> could fix it? >>> >>> There aren?t any significant changes in ?cronie? in 8.1, >>> looking at the spec file. >>> >>> Assuming the crontab you wrote above included the time spec too, >>> I?d check to make sure the first command isn?t exiting with a >>> non-zero exit code. >> >> The command chain is running propery, STDOUT output is visible in >> system log (excerpt from logwatch email): >> >> >> ``` >> --------------------- Cron Begin ------------------------ >> >> **Unmatched Entries** >> CMDOUT (### Starting backup. Host: host.example.com Backupserver: >> 10.9.1.5 Path: /borgbackup/vm/host-example-com Date: Fri Mar 20 >> 05:13:46 CET 2020 ###) >> CMDOUT (Creating archive at >> "borg at IP:/borgbackup/vm/host-example-com::{now:%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M}") >> ? >> ``` >> >> Its just not sending an email. >> >> What is additionally irritating is that it is only on a few machines. >> All machines are identically provisioned with ansible. >> >> The situation is not mission critical but it should work. Strange. >> >> Tobias-- collect at shift.agency
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 04:16, Tobias Kirchhofer <collect at shift.agency> wrote:> On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:20, Tobias Kirchhofer wrote: > > >>>> we experience difficulties with crond behaviour sending mail since > >>>> CentOS 8.1. The cron job is the same like we used in CentOS 7. > > > > Meanwhile we found the reason for the bug - actually we do not know if > > it is related to a specific version of CentOS or a specific kind of > > command as cron job. > > > > Let me explain what we have: > > > > - sssd for ssh login of ldap user > > - crond for cron jobs :) > > > > If we stop sssd and restart crond cron starts to send mails again! > > > > We started with sssd on newly provisioned machines with CentOS 8. We > > do not know if this is the same on CentOS 7. > > > > We send mails only to root. So no remote user is involved in cron. > > > > From our perspective it is a bug. How could we dive deeper to find the > > specific reason? > > To sum it up: > > - Install CentOS 8 > - Enabled and started crond > - crond sends emails properly > - Enable and start sssd > - crond stops sending emails and starts journal logging > - Restart crond (or reboot) > - crond sends emails and stops journal logging > > It is a matter of order. At boot time crond starts after sssd. > > This situation is bearable if you know it but has cost us some hours. > > Thanks for reading and sorry for this public clarification process ;) > > Tobias > >So it sounds like that crond needs to have sssd as a pre-dependency so it doesn't start until sssd is running? -- Stephen J Smoogen.
On 6 Apr 2020, at 12:21, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:> On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 04:16, Tobias Kirchhofer <collect at shift.agency> > wrote: > >> On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:20, Tobias Kirchhofer wrote: >> >>>>>> we experience difficulties with crond behaviour sending mail >>>>>> since >>>>>> CentOS 8.1. The cron job is the same like we used in CentOS 7. >>> >>> Meanwhile we found the reason for the bug - actually we do not know >>> if >>> it is related to a specific version of CentOS or a specific kind of >>> command as cron job. >>> >>> Let me explain what we have: >>> >>> - sssd for ssh login of ldap user >>> - crond for cron jobs :) >>> >>> If we stop sssd and restart crond cron starts to send mails again! >>> >>> We started with sssd on newly provisioned machines with CentOS 8. We >>> do not know if this is the same on CentOS 7. >>> >>> We send mails only to root. So no remote user is involved in cron. >>> >>> From our perspective it is a bug. How could we dive deeper to find >>> the >>> specific reason? >> >> To sum it up: >> >> - Install CentOS 8 >> - Enabled and started crond >> - crond sends emails properly >> - Enable and start sssd >> - crond stops sending emails and starts journal logging >> - Restart crond (or reboot) >> - crond sends emails and stops journal logging >> >> It is a matter of order. At boot time crond starts after sssd. >> >> This situation is bearable if you know it but has cost us some hours. >> >> Thanks for reading and sorry for this public clarification process ;) >> >> Tobias >> >> > So it sounds like that crond needs to have sssd as a pre-dependency so > it > doesn't start until sssd is running?No - if crond is already running and sssd is initially set and starting (after crond) crond does not send mail. For whatever reason. At boot time things are okay, crond starts after sssd. So if sssd is already there, crond is fine. If sssd starts after crond, crond is not fine. It is a kind of race condition which takes place only in the beginning when sssd is set. Usually crond is in this use case already running, because it is part of (our) base install. Hope this is clear :) -- collect at shift.agency