CentOS - Jan 2020 - (SOLVED) YUM (DNF) Possible Confusion Centos 8

On 1/24/20 8:02 AM, Simon Matter via CentOS wrote:
>> <lots snipped>
>>
>>
>>> The redhat access page comes up in both google and duckduckgo when
I put
>>> in the entire 4 lines of the error message.?  You still have to
login to
>>> see the solution.
>>>
>>>
https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=+Problem+1%3A+conflicting+requests+++-+nothing+provides+module%28perl%3A5.26%29+needed+by+module+perl-DBD-SQLite%3A1.58%3A8010020190322125518%3A073fa5fe-0.x86_64++Problem+2%3A+conflicting+requests+++-+nothing+provides+module%28perl%3A5.26%29+needed+by+module+perl-DBI%3A1.641%3A8010020190322130042%3A16b3ab4d-0.x86_64&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>>>
>>> Other than that you could create a login on the redhat site and
register
>>> as a developer (free of charge) and have access to some of their
online
>>> resources including the access knowledgebase.
>>>
>>> I am mostly a CentOS user, and installed redhat 8 so I could start
>>> working on my applications before CentOS 8 was released.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nataraj
>>
>> I have a free subscription, but still can't get to the solution
page.  Oh
>> well.
> 
> I've never really understood how hiding those solutions behind a wall
is a
> good thing in/for the OpenSource world. Looks like I'm not alone :-)
> 
A good thing is the ability for someone to be able to pay people actual
money so that CentOS can actually exist.  There is no CentOS (or
Scientfic Linux or Oracle Linux) without RHEL.  There is no RHEL if Red
Hat can not make money.

If one is not smart enough to support their own install .. the answer is
.. buy RHEL.

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On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org>
wrote:
> 
> On 1/24/20 8:02 AM, Simon Matter via CentOS wrote:
>> 
>> I've never really understood how hiding those solutions behind a
wall is a
>> good thing in/for the OpenSource world. Looks like I'm not alone
:-)
> 
> A good thing is the ability for someone to be able to pay people actual
> money so that CentOS can actually exist.  There is no CentOS (or
> Scientfic Linux or Oracle Linux) without RHEL.  There is no RHEL if Red
> Hat can not make money.
> 
> If one is not smart enough to support their own install .. the answer is
> .. buy RHEL.
While I think I agree with you in principle, this case doesn?t really fall into
the category you?re outlining, for several reasons.

1. dnf is complaining that "nothing provides module(perl:5.26)? when Perl
is evidently installed.  How did it get there if nothing provides it?  I don?t
see how this is anything but a packaging bug.  If the financial stability of the
Red Hat subsidiary of IBM, Inc. depends on people paying them for advice on how
to get around broad-based bugs Red Hat created ? or at least allowed to pass QA
? that?s a perverse incentive that will ultimately damage the subsidiary.

2. I would think that the ?support? you speak of, the lifeblood of the Red Hat
subsidiary, is principally one-to-one, where the recipient is getting value they
could not easily receive any other way.  That should exclude problems so common
that they end up in the knowledge base.  That?s one-to-many, which means the
per-recipient value of the information is amortized.

The bottom line is that I think the community here is acting as an auxiliary QA
arm for Red Hat, benefiting their paying customers.  Our payment?  I?ll take
some more CentOS, thanks. :)

> On 1/24/20 8:02 AM, Simon Matter via CentOS wrote:
>>> <lots snipped>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The redhat access page comes up in both google and duckduckgo
when I
>>>> put
>>>> in the entire 4 lines of the error message.?  You still have to
login
>>>> to
>>>> see the solution.
>>>>
>>>>
https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=+Problem+1%3A+conflicting+requests+++-+nothing+provides+module%28perl%3A5.26%29+needed+by+module+perl-DBD-SQLite%3A1.58%3A8010020190322125518%3A073fa5fe-0.x86_64++Problem+2%3A+conflicting+requests+++-+nothing+provides+module%28perl%3A5.26%29+needed+by+module+perl-DBI%3A1.641%3A8010020190322130042%3A16b3ab4d-0.x86_64&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Other than that you could create a login on the redhat site and
>>>> register
>>>> as a developer (free of charge) and have access to some of
their
>>>> online
>>>> resources including the access knowledgebase.
>>>>
>>>> I am mostly a CentOS user, and installed redhat 8 so I could
start
>>>> working on my applications before CentOS 8 was released.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nataraj
>>>
>>> I have a free subscription, but still can't get to the solution
page.
>>> Oh
>>> well.
>>
>> I've never really understood how hiding those solutions behind a
wall is
>> a
>> good thing in/for the OpenSource world. Looks like I'm not alone
:-)
>>
>
> A good thing is the ability for someone to be able to pay people actual
> money so that CentOS can actually exist.  There is no CentOS (or
> Scientfic Linux or Oracle Linux) without RHEL.  There is no RHEL if Red
> Hat can not make money.
I can not agree here. To make this clear, I'm not from the "everything
must be free to consume" crowd just in case it sounds so. But when we talk
about money and RedHat my POV is this:

1) RedHat has made quite a lot of money through me in the past decades! Of
course not from my personal purchases but from those companies who bought
from RedHat because I was behind the projects.

2) RedHat includes the work of thousands of people around the world
without paying a cent to most of them. One of them is me, work from me can
be found in RedHat products and it's from my personal work as well as work
I did for companies who agreed to keep this work free for everybody as
well.

I never asked a cent from RedHat and don't expect it. I only don't like
how they've built walls to prevent me from having access to some useful
tips and tricks which can make my life easier.

That's why I don't like these walls even if you can climb them for free
somehow if you learn how.

Regards,
Simon

> On 1/24/20 8:02 AM, Simon Matter via CentOS wrote:
>>> <lots snipped>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The redhat access page comes up in both google and duckduckgo
when I
>>>> put
>>>> in the entire 4 lines of the error message.?  You still have to
login
>>>> to
>>>> see the solution.
>>>>
>>>>
https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=+Problem+1%3A+conflicting+requests+++-+nothing+provides+module%28perl%3A5.26%29+needed+by+module+perl-DBD-SQLite%3A1.58%3A8010020190322125518%3A073fa5fe-0.x86_64++Problem+2%3A+conflicting+requests+++-+nothing+provides+module%28perl%3A5.26%29+needed+by+module+perl-DBI%3A1.641%3A8010020190322130042%3A16b3ab4d-0.x86_64&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Other than that you could create a login on the redhat site and
>>>> register
>>>> as a developer (free of charge) and have access to some of
their
>>>> online
>>>> resources including the access knowledgebase.
>>>>
>>>> I am mostly a CentOS user, and installed redhat 8 so I could
start
>>>> working on my applications before CentOS 8 was released.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nataraj
>>>
>>> I have a free subscription, but still can't get to the solution
page.
>>> Oh
>>> well.
>>
>> I've never really understood how hiding those solutions behind a
wall is
>> a
>> good thing in/for the OpenSource world. Looks like I'm not alone
:-)
>>
>
> A good thing is the ability for someone to be able to pay people actual
> money so that CentOS can actually exist.  There is no CentOS (or
> Scientfic Linux or Oracle Linux) without RHEL.  There is no RHEL if Red
> Hat can not make money.
And there is no RedHat if thousands of developers would not allow RedHat
to consume their work for free. Creators of free software didn't build
walls around their projects. Do you thinks it's a good thing that RedHat
does exactly this with their tip and tricks (KB)? I believe it can damage
RedHat because a lot of people at the source of RedHats products don't
appreciate it at all.

Regards,
Simon

On 1/30/20 10:08 PM, Simon Matter via CentOS wrote:
>> On 1/24/20 8:02 AM, Simon Matter via CentOS wrote:
>>>> <lots snipped>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The redhat access page comes up in both google and
duckduckgo when I
>>>>> put
>>>>> in the entire 4 lines of the error message.?  You still
have to login
>>>>> to
>>>>> see the solution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=+Problem+1%3A+conflicting+requests+++-+nothing+provides+module%28perl%3A5.26%29+needed+by+module+perl-DBD-SQLite%3A1.58%3A8010020190322125518%3A073fa5fe-0.x86_64++Problem+2%3A+conflicting+requests+++-+nothing+provides+module%28perl%3A5.26%29+needed+by+module+perl-DBI%3A1.641%3A8010020190322130042%3A16b3ab4d-0.x86_64&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than that you could create a login on the redhat site
and
>>>>> register
>>>>> as a developer (free of charge) and have access to some of
their
>>>>> online
>>>>> resources including the access knowledgebase.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am mostly a CentOS user, and installed redhat 8 so I
could start
>>>>> working on my applications before CentOS 8 was released.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nataraj
>>>>
>>>> I have a free subscription, but still can't get to the
solution page.
>>>> Oh
>>>> well.
>>>
>>> I've never really understood how hiding those solutions behind
a wall is
>>> a
>>> good thing in/for the OpenSource world. Looks like I'm not
alone :-)
>>>
>>
>> A good thing is the ability for someone to be able to pay people actual
>> money so that CentOS can actually exist.  There is no CentOS (or
>> Scientfic Linux or Oracle Linux) without RHEL.  There is no RHEL if Red
>> Hat can not make money.
> 
> And there is no RedHat if thousands of developers would not allow RedHat
> to consume their work for free. Creators of free software didn't build
> walls around their projects. Do you thinks it's a good thing that
RedHat
> does exactly this with their tip and tricks (KB)? I believe it can damage
> RedHat because a lot of people at the source of RedHats products don't
> appreciate it at all.
But you are not talking about access to source code here .. you are
taking about access to a paid support website for customers for
knowledge base articles.

The Source Code .. heck, even Binary rpms, exist and were installed in
this case .. completely for free from CentOS Linux.  What is being
complained about is no access to documentation for paid customers to fix
issues with RHEL .. not to fix something in CentOS Linux.  This list and
wiki.centos.org and forums.centos.org are where the CentOS Community can
develop open source, free documentation for these issues for CentOS Linux.

Red Hat certainly understands open source .. as shown by this:

https://www.infoworld.com/article/3253948/who-really-contributes-to-open-source.html
  (github commits)

and this:

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Git-Stats-EOY2019
  (kernel commits)

The same holds true for any number of important projects .. gcc, etc.

I love open source .. that is why I have been doing CentOS binaries
since 2004.  I totally believe in open source.  It has. in fact, taken
over the world of Information Technology much to my delight.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes


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