On 2019-05-14 07:14, Jonathan Billings wrote:> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 07:45:55AM -0400, Bee.Lists wrote: >> I addressed this in the thread. > > And we continue to tell you that you're wrong. su behaves the same > way when switching to any other user as it does for root. Stop > spreading misinformation. >Sorry, Jonathan, that I replying _your_ message, my reply has nothing to do with it of any of your other posts, but rather with some posts by some other posters. I really have to say this: This whole thread - some posts in it that is - reminds me the old truth: RTFM. Namely, Read The F.. (damn) Manual! It is really hard to help those who don't care to read the man page. No matter how many times you repeat that su stands for "substitute user", and that the command as usually may have various options, and "-" is one of these options, and what is the difference between invoking command with or without it. I would suggest that continuing this thread is counter-productive. Valeri PS pasting excerpt from "man su" on my FreeBSD workstation: SU(1) FreeBSD General Commands Manual SU(1) NAME su - substitute user identity SYNOPSIS su [-] [-c class] [-flms] [login [args]] ... -l Simulate a full login. ... - (no letter) The same as -l. -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> On May 14, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: > > Sorry, Jonathan, that I replying _your_ message, my reply has nothing to do with it of any of your other posts, but rather with some posts by some other posters. I really have to say this: > > This whole thread - some posts in it that is - reminds me the old truth: RTFM. Namely, Read The F.. (damn) Manual! > > It is really hard to help those who don't care to read the man page. No matter how many times you repeat that su stands for "substitute user", and that the command as usually may have various options, and "-" is one of these options, and what is the difference between invoking command with or without it. > > I would suggest that continuing this thread is counter-productive.Then reply to them. Is it that hard? Second, if you READ the posts, you would find that the man page, is unclear. It was referred to, but you missed that as well. It?s really hard to post things when people like you two don?t read the frickin posts. No matter how many times you post, most people just want to fluff their feathers instead of read the posts. I would suggest?reading the posts. Then, read the posts. Or get some fresh air. None of this is difficult. Cheers, Bee
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:23:20AM -0400, Bee.Lists wrote:> > Second, if you READ the posts, you would find that the man page, is > unclear. It was referred to, but you missed that as well.No, it's really not. This is reinforced by the fact that you are the sole person having an issue grasping how this all works and would rather argue your incorrect point of view (and getting the last word in) than accept that you might be wrong and others might be right. The people that have chimed in have a combined experience of _well_ over a hundred years. Might just be they know a thing or 10? If you find the man page confusing for whatever reason there is a SEE ALSO section that points you to the GNU info page for it, including the exact command line necessary to see the invocation specifics; GNU info pages are generally far more fleshed out than man pages. You might need to install the info package but it may be worth it for the additional information source.> It?s really hard to post things when people like you two don?t read > the frickin posts. No matter how many times you post, most people > just want to fluff their feathers instead of read the posts.This argumentative nature you are displaying is not going to make people want to help you further.> I would suggest?reading the posts. Then, read the posts. Or get some > fresh air. None of this is difficult.I would encourage you to do the same with a bit more open mind and the understanding that perhaps, just maybe, when you come to a support list asking for assistance that the assistance you get might actually be, shocking as it may seem, correct. John -- If people did not do silly things, nothing intelligent would ever get done. -- Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951), Austrian-born philosopher, Culture and Value (1980)