Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD variation for the current or future releases? For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single layer DVD. Thanks for your time, -Brendan
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 6:47 PM Brendan Brewster <brendan.brewster at gmail.com> wrote:> > Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD variation for the current or future releases? > > For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single layer DVD. > > Thanks for your time, > -BrendanThe main x86_64 release still maintains the DVD spin release and it is the recommended image for most users; from 7.6.1810 isos/x86_64/0_README.txt- "CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-1810.iso This DVD image contains all the packages that can be installed using the installer. This is the recommended image for most users." One would think that since the initiative of this project is in support of older hardware that it would continue to be made available for those that need to burn a DVD and can't use a thumb drive and to remain inline with the main project in this regard :) It was made available up through 7.4.1708 for AltArch i386. If someone could point me in the right direction, maybe I could be of help to make this available. Or, if there is a reason this can't be made available, this might be useful insight for myself and possible other users. -Brendan
On 2/2/19 5:47 PM, Brendan Brewster wrote:> Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 > there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside > NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD > variation for the current or future releases? > > For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single layer > DVD. > >Currently all the Alternative arches get the same ISOs .. which are Everything, Minimal, NetInstall. (except of course for armhfp .. were the install is very different). It takes a bunch of extra work / testing to develop the DVD install ISO. It requires a unique package list to only include items needed from the installer. I would say that the best way to install CentOS is with the Minimal install and yum groups afterwards .. or a net install. I will never say never, but unless we have some community people develop the file lists for point release time, I don't see us doing more ISOs type for several reasons. two of which are: 1) It is very chaotic at point release time and people want things faster than we can release them. Developing the file lists that can make the DVD installer work OK takes time we don't really have. 2) Adding 20 or 30 more GB of to our mirrors , when scaled to 600 or so mirrors worldwide is a lot of extra storage and bandwidth. If we eliminate the Everything ISO we might do DVD only .. BUT .. i am usually afraid to do that. Anyway .. x86_64 is the main supported architecture and we don't currently plan to add more isos, certainly not without help maintaining the file lists that a DVD iso would require. More important than the list is the install testing to make sure it all works before release. Here is the repo where we maintain lists and comps (group) files: https://git.centos.org/summary/sig-core!comps.git Thanks, Johnny Hughes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20190322/a85ebe5a/attachment-0002.sig>
Johnny Hughes wrote:> On 2/2/19 5:47 PM, Brendan Brewster wrote: > >> Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 >> there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside >> NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD >> variation for the current or future releases? >> >> For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single >> layer DVD. > > Currently all the Alternative arches get the same ISOs .. which are > Everything, Minimal, NetInstall. (except of course for armhfp .. were > the install is very different). > > It takes a bunch of extra work / testing to develop the DVD install ISO. > It requires a unique package list to only include items needed from the > installer. > > I would say that the best way to install CentOS is with the Minimal > install and yum groups afterwards .. or a net install.<snip> Johnny, I'm very much against the minimal, given that it doesn't seem to set up networking... nor does it appear to install perl, based on some recent experience. mark
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 08:35 Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote:> On 2/2/19 5:47 PM, Brendan Brewster wrote: > > Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 > > there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside > > NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD > > variation for the current or future releases? > > > > For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single > layer > > DVD. > > > > > > Currently all the Alternative arches get the same ISOs .. which are > Everything, Minimal, NetInstall. (except of course for armhfp .. were > the install is very different). > > It takes a bunch of extra work / testing to develop the DVD install ISO. > It requires a unique package list to only include items needed from the > installer. > > I would say that the best way to install CentOS is with the Minimal > install and yum groups afterwards .. or a net install. > > I will never say never, but unless we have some community people develop > the file lists for point release time, I don't see us doing more ISOs > type for several reasons. two of which are: > > 1) It is very chaotic at point release time and people want things > faster than we can release them. Developing the file lists that can make > the DVD installer work OK takes time we don't really have. > > 2) Adding 20 or 30 more GB of to our mirrors , when scaled to 600 or so > mirrors worldwide is a lot of extra storage and bandwidth. > > If we eliminate the Everything ISO we might do DVD only .. BUT .. i am > usually afraid to do that. > > Anyway .. x86_64 is the main supported architecture and we don't > currently plan to add more isos, certainly not without help maintaining > the file lists that a DVD iso would require. More important than the > list is the install testing to make sure it all works before release. > > Here is the repo where we maintain lists and comps (group) files: > https://git.centos.org/summary/sig-core!comps.git > > Thanks, > Johnny Hughes > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centosThank you Johnny, greatly appreciate the reply and insight on the matter. I'm not sure if I could be of help as I'm not familiar with this but I will plan to take a gander at that repo. Thanks! -Brendan