Valeri Galtsev
2018-Oct-12 14:48 UTC
[CentOS] Scroll bar arrows missing and behaviour change
On 10/12/18 8:40 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote:> And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who aren't familiar) thing! Apparently it's a KDE thing. I haven't experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what you do) but my arrows are missing too. I'm thinking this is a KDE Blasted Ugly Gotcha (BUG). BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just right). KDE now has invisible features...In the past as programmers we were taught more wisdom than today's "coders" have been: One of the rules of thumb was: Don't make any changes in [debugged] program unless they are absolutely necessary. On a similar note: who remembers netscape navigator (web browser)? It was pleasantly not changing its appearance and UI (User Interface) for ages. These days Firefox and thunderbird are being rushed with new releases. "Releases" full of security holes (take a look at CentOS update history: firefox security updates are the most often ones). As if they are aiming to beat everybody in version number (currently major version in 50th-60th). But they can not beat Microsoft who has a release: Windows 2000. </rant> [no beginning of rant tag, as I'm not certain where to put it] Valeri> > > Leroy Tennison > Network Information/Cyber Security Specialist > E: leroy at datavoiceint.com > 2220 Bush Dr > McKinney, Texas > 75070 > www.datavoiceint.com > TThis message has been sent on behalf > of a company that is part of the Harris Operating Group of > Constellation Software Inc. These companies are listed > here > . > If you prefer not to be contacted by Harris > Operating Group > please notify us > . > This message is intended exclusively for the > individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication > may contain information that is proprietary, privileged or > confidential or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are > not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, > retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you > have received this message in error, please notify the sender > immediately by e-mail and delete all copies of the > message. > > ________________________________________ > From: CentOS <centos-bounces at centos.org> on behalf of Gary Stainburn <gary at ringways.co.uk> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:48 AM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [CentOS] Scroll bar arrows missing and behaviour change > > I have done some Googling on this but everything I've found appears to be at > least 2 years old and mostly refers to Gnome > > TBH, I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned it - maybe it's only happened to > me. > > At some point over the last few months the behaviour of the scroll bars > changed and I'm finding it very annoying. > > Firstly, the arrows have vanished. > > Secondly, when clicking on the scroll bar background either above or below the > drag bar instead of doing a page up or page down which is what it used to do > (and what I want it to continue doing) it now moves the scroll bar to that > absolute position, i.e. if I click on 75% down the scroll bar it jumps to 75% > of the document. > > As this is happening in all apps I'm assuming it's something within KDE that > had changed. > > I'm running an up-to-date Centos 7 x64 running the KDE desktop. > > Anyone got suggestions on how I can get back the the old style (windows clone) > behaviour and appearance? > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Valeri Galtsev wrote:> On 10/12/18 8:40 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote: > >> And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who >> aren't familiar) thing! Apparently it's a KDE thing. I haven't >> experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what you >> do) but my arrows are missing too. I'm thinking this is a KDE Blasted >> Ugly Gotcha (BUG). BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you >> position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow >> functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just >> right). KDE now has invisible features... ><Rant tag added here>> In the past as programmers we were taught more wisdom than today's > "coders" have been: One of the rules of thumb was: > > Don't make any changes in [debugged] program unless they are absolutely > necessary. > > On a similar note: who remembers netscape navigator (web browser)? It > was pleasantly not changing its appearance and UI (User Interface) for > ages. These days Firefox and thunderbird are being rushed with new > releases. "Releases" full of security holes (take a look at CentOS update > history: firefox security updates are the most often ones). As if > they are aiming to beat everybody in version number (currently major > version in 50th-60th). But they can not beat Microsoft who has a release: > Windows 2000. ><mark's rant added into Veleri's> Oh, and they had to jump 40 numbers, to keep up with Google/Chrome, because.... Right, like WinCrap, *have* to change the user interface, because... oh, that's right, they can sell more training. And the new UIs aren't as thought out, or TRIED OUT WITH END USERS as the old one was. and they don't care about some bugs... like t-bird "oh, you *can't* not want your email when you hit <reply all> in the list, saving to your sent folder isn't enough copies....> > </rant> > [no beginning of rant tag, as I'm not certain where to put it] > > Valerimark
Leroy Tennison
2018-Oct-12 15:18 UTC
[CentOS] Scroll bar arrows missing and behaviour change
Leroy Tennison Network Information/Cyber Security Specialist E: leroy at datavoiceint.com 2220 Bush Dr McKinney, Texas 75070 www.datavoiceint.com TThis message has been sent on behalf of a company that is part of the Harris Operating Group of Constellation Software Inc. These companies are listed here . If you prefer not to be contacted by Harris Operating Group please notify us . This message is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is proprietary, privileged or confidential or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete all copies of the message. ________________________________________ From: CentOS <centos-bounces at centos.org> on behalf of mark <m.roth at 5-cent.us> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 10:11 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] Scroll bar arrows missing and behaviour change Valeri Galtsev wrote:> On 10/12/18 8:40 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote: > >> And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who >> aren't familiar) thing! Apparently it's a KDE thing. I haven't >> experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what you >> do) but my arrows are missing too. I'm thinking this is a KDE Blasted >> Ugly Gotcha (BUG). BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you >> position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow >> functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just >> right). KDE now has invisible features... ><Rant tag added here>> In the past as programmers we were taught more wisdom than today's > "coders" have been: One of the rules of thumb was: > > Don't make any changes in [debugged] program unless they are absolutely > necessary. > > On a similar note: who remembers netscape navigator (web browser)? It > was pleasantly not changing its appearance and UI (User Interface) for > ages. These days Firefox and thunderbird are being rushed with new > releases. "Releases" full of security holes (take a look at CentOS update > history: firefox security updates are the most often ones). As if > they are aiming to beat everybody in version number (currently major > version in 50th-60th). But they can not beat Microsoft who has a release: > Windows 2000. ><mark's rant added into Veleri's> Oh, and they had to jump 40 numbers, to keep up with Google/Chrome, because.... Right, like WinCrap, *have* to change the user interface, because... oh, that's right, they can sell more training. And the new UIs aren't as thought out, or TRIED OUT WITH END USERS as the old one was. and they don't care about some bugs... like t-bird "oh, you *can't* not want your email when you hit <reply all> in the list, saving to your sent folder isn't enough copies....> > </rant> > [no beginning of rant tag, as I'm not certain where to put it] > > Valerimark _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos> Right, like WinCrap, *have* to change the user interface, because... oh, that's right, they can sell more training.And I thought it was to give the appearance of "new and improved" when very little had really changed. (No rant here, just a statement of fact :-) :-) :-) ... )