CentOS - Sep 2017 - [OT] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

On Tue, September 19, 2017 1:42 pm, Nux! wrote:
> Unfortunately the same can be said about Ruby, RoR, Python etc etc etc.
It is not as much true about languages themselves (though it is true, and
I for one call python "sneaky snake" just because of that ;-), as
about
how the software using these languages is written. E.g. well known
mailman. I never had it give me any trouble wherever I have/had it
installed, even though it is written in "sneaky snake" (python). This
is
example of brilliantly written software! So, all these incompatibilities
and upgrade trouble, or rather absence of thereof, is about how well the
programmers have written their code. Namely, whether they use only
fundamental abilities of the language which are unlikely to change for
long time, or chase after one day fancy features that tend to evaporate
quickly, or get transformed soon.

I probably should have put "rant" tags... or maybe shouldn't.

Valeri
>
> Personally I think it's perfectly reasonable to track Nextcloud
upgrades
> combined with SCL major upgrades once every couple of years.
>
> Check life times here:
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhscl
>
> --
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>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jonathan Billings" <billings at negate.org>
>> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos at centos.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 September, 2017 19:06:55
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version
>> dilemma
>
>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 07:59:00PM +0200, rainer at ultra-secure.de
wrote:
>>> With PHP, I try to stay as close to upstream as possible.
>>> If upstream EOLs a version, it's time to upgrade.
>>>
>>> If you want something stable, don't run PHP.
>>
>> Unfortunately, with that philosophy but not much systems management
>> experience, you end up with custom-compiled and local installs of PHP
>> that get no security updates, particularly as you get version lock-in
>> by the web application developers, or when you have a sysadmin move on
>> to a new position or company.
>>
>> I think the statement "If you want something stable, don't run
PHP" is
>> a very wise statement though.
>>
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Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>
> On Tue, September 19, 2017 1:42 pm, Nux! wrote:
>> Unfortunately the same can be said about Ruby, RoR, Python etc etc etc.
>
> It is not as much true about languages themselves (though it is true, and
> I for one call python "sneaky snake" just because of that ;-), as
about
<snip>
Yeah, in addition to my reaction to "you're using *whitespace* as a
syntax
element?!", I had an early dislike of python, when each new sub-release
broke things that had worked in the previous.

      mark

On 19 September 2017 at 21:15, <m.roth at 5-cent.us> wrote:
> Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, September 19, 2017 1:42 pm, Nux! wrote:
> >> Unfortunately the same can be said about Ruby, RoR, Python etc etc
etc.
> >
> > It is not as much true about languages themselves (though it is true,
and
> > I for one call python "sneaky snake" just because of that
;-), as about
> <snip>
> Yeah, in addition to my reaction to "you're using *whitespace* as
a syntax
> element?!", I had an early dislike of python, when each new
sub-release
> broke things that had worked in the previous.
>
>
>
For what it's worth at this time I'd use one of the PHP7 options with
the
upstream

https://www.hogarthuk.com/?q=node/15

Getting the owncloud and nextcloud EPEL packages updated are on my to-do
list, but family and work matters have limited my time in the recent months.

The EPEL versions cannot go to the latest though due to the minimum PHP
version jump.

At this point I'd recommend you use the upstream archive (just untar/unzip
it) and the most recent PHP in either IUS, remi or SCL (depending which
repo you feel more comfortable with ... see my article for the differences
but they are all trustworthy).

James

Straying OT ...
> > On Tue, September 19, 2017 1:42 pm, Nux! wrote:
> > > Unfortunately the same can be said about Ruby, RoR, Python etc
etc etc.
> > 
> > It is not as much true about languages themselves (though it is true,
and
> > I for one call python "sneaky snake" just because of that
;-), as about
> 
> <snip>
> Yeah, in addition to my reaction to "you're using *whitespace* as
a syntax
> element?!", I had an early dislike of python, when each new
sub-release
> broke things that had worked in the previous.
> 
+1 

As a sysadmin/programmer I really detest using indents to denote
lexical level. But when I have ever expressed such opinions I am
invariably shouted down and told that it makes programming easier and
I'm just an elitist nerd. And don't get me started on the incompatible
point releases.

P.