On 29 April 2016 at 09:55, isdtor <isdtor at gmail.com> wrote:> Always Learning writes: > > However the time-wasting problem remains, so too do the down-loaded > > extensions in /tmp, example tmp-xxx.xpi > > The reason behind this is the missing patch referenced by Johnny's posting > that you referenced in a follow-up. > > What I would really like to see, talking about SIGs and such, is an rpm > for palemoon, but I fear it can't be done on C5. Even C6 only would help, > although I'm hesitating to move my main desktop off 5; the C6 desktop > simply doesn't have the same stability and performance, and having to log > off/log on just because PA behaves irratically is really annoying. >Given: RHEL5 goes end of life on 2017-03-31, which is 47 weeks, 6 days, 13 hours, 40 minutes, and 50 seconds from now and that even now the updates are limited to critical (ie remote code execution) pretty much might I suggest now is a good time to be thinking about that future of that system and if not move to C7 at least move to C6? I can't even imagine the pain of using C5 as a desktop in today's world ...
Rob Kampen
2016-Apr-29 11:44 UTC
[CentOS] C5: The Firefox ESR 45.1.0 Nighmare - bunny trail
On 04/29/2016 10:21 PM, James Hogarth wrote:> On 29 April 2016 at 09:55, isdtor <isdtor at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Always Learning writes: >>> However the time-wasting problem remains, so too do the down-loaded >>> extensions in /tmp, example tmp-xxx.xpi >> The reason behind this is the missing patch referenced by Johnny's posting >> that you referenced in a follow-up. >> >> What I would really like to see, talking about SIGs and such, is an rpm >> for palemoon, but I fear it can't be done on C5. Even C6 only would help, >> although I'm hesitating to move my main desktop off 5; the C6 desktop >> simply doesn't have the same stability and performance, and having to log >> off/log on just because PA behaves irratically is really annoying. >> > > Given: RHEL5 goes end of life on 2017-03-31, which is 47 weeks, 6 days, 13 > hours, 40 minutes, and 50 seconds from now > > and that even now the updates are limited to critical (ie remote code > execution) pretty much might I suggest now is a good time to be thinking > about that future of that system and if not move to C7 at least move to C6? > > I can't even imagine the pain of using C5 as a desktop in today's world ...Having used C5 desktops until 4 years ago, then C6 until last week and now using C7, some observations. Getting H/w stuff to work has got MUCH easier. Mostly "it just works". With the EPEL and ELrepo most everything one needs to perform normal office desktop functions is just a yum command away. I have tried to remain on the same hardware, but the recent move to C7 makes my 8 year old PC with 8GB of RAM just unacceptable. This machine was a top of the line gaming machine for my son when we built it, now it stalls as it pages stuff to swap - my work load is the same, just seems the new C7 needs more horse-power to function. Now about the desktop, and the tools that come with the system. Gnome 3, Gnome classic, and KDE - historically I just used the Gnome desktop, Nautilus and found managing my remote servers and the web apps I design and administer just worked fine. Transfer of files to and from the remote servers was a simple drag and drop. The system remembered my SSH key passphrase with no special action, now it doesn't, I need to be entering it continually. I think there is a new app to take care of this but haven't yet found the time to research and set it up. Nautilus is now next to useless for my kind of work flow. Darn, they call this progress? Trying to put apps onto the Gnome Desktop - too difficult, I'm sure its possible but once again, far to obscure - they really want me to change my work flow and habits I guess. So I dust off KDE, been a few years since I played with this, but some brief research to find a working file manager show dolphin gets top marks. Used it under Gnome initially, but some stuff just doesn't show on my screen properly. At least I can actually do my job with Dolphin, but it has some quirks, some quite irksome quirks, but at least I am somewhat productive after a week of trying to get used to all the changes. With all the things I do not like about Windoze and Micro$oft, at least their file manager still works intuitively from WindozeXP, Windoze7 and Windoze10 - the only versions I have chosen to use over the last 15 years. So what's gone wrong with the Linux Desktop developers? Hardware upgrade to my son's three year old gaming machine next week, hopefully that will alleviate some of the frustrations of this migration to the latest CentOS 7 workstation. Enough of a rant. Sorry for the hi-jack, I did amend the subject. P.S. I am using C7 for my new servers and that seems to be okay, bit of a learning curve for systemd and systemctl commands, also for firewalld vs iptables - yes I know I can use the old system, but I try to use the systems as much as possible as they come, as I figure that is where things are heading, so learn, use and embrace. e.g. NetworkManager was introduced in C6 - barely workable for a desktop, just a PITA for a server. But with C7 it mostly works as expected, with little need to lock things down. Works great on the desktop. Have a great weekend. Shalom> _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Alice Wonder
2016-Apr-29 12:44 UTC
[CentOS] C5: The Firefox ESR 45.1.0 Nighmare - bunny trail
On 04/29/2016 04:44 AM, Rob Kampen wrote: *snip*> So what's gone wrong with the Linux Desktop developers?I don't know, but that's why I use MATE. I get acceptable performance on my T410 thinkpad with 4GB of memory and outstanding performance on my home built desktop with 16GB of memory. The T410 has been upgraded with an Intel SSD. Gnome3 on the Thinkpad was just painful. Anyway, MATE is in EPEL. There are still some quirks - like what they did with gedit, you've got the "open" button all the way on the left and the "Save" button way over on the right - who the hell thought that was a good idea? Ah well.
On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 11:21 +0100, James Hogarth wrote:> Given: RHEL5 goes end of life on 2017-03-31, which is 47 weeks, 6 days, 13 > hours, 40 minutes, and 50 seconds from now > > and that even now the updates are limited to critical (ie remote code > execution) pretty much might I suggest now is a good time to be thinking > about that future of that system and if not move to C7 at least move to C6? > > I can't even imagine the pain of using C5 as a desktop in today's world ...I am conservative with somethings but adventurous with others. C5's Gnome desktop is stable and satisfies all my needs because it is reliable and always works well; FF45 being the exception. C6 is set-up on a faster, quieter development machine with double the RAM and USB3. When my last C5 production server moves to C6, then I'll have to say a gratefully metaphorical farewell to my dependable C5 development machine "its been really great knowing you". Stability and reliability are essential for basic computer work. C7 has yet to convince me it is worth the considerable investment in time and energy relearning how to operate and use it. That is why Valerie's BSD philosophy appears attractive (the manual from 1998 remains largely unread). I'll stay with C6 for as long as possible. Please don't demean something (i.e. C5 and its desktop) which has been a wonderful and enjoyable experience. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. England's place is in the European Union.