On 02/02/2016 03:50 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:> On 02/02/2016 09:28 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: >> CentOS is not a bleeding-edge distribution that constantly keeps >> packages up to date with the upstream projects. If you want that, try >> another distribution like Fedora. > <rant> > GNOME can get a rebase to a newer version, but KDE can't..... this > from a former KDE user who would love to go back to KDE but refuses to > deal with the issues older versions have. > > This is, of course, an upstream issue and not a CentOS one, and I know > that.... so I now use GNOME, even though it would be nice to see > parity in the allowing of a rebase of KDE like the one for GNOME. > </rant> > > >> There is a 3rd-party repository that might have an upgraded KDE: >> http://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php >> > > Trinity Desktop (TDE), is a fork of KDE 3.x, and not updated from > that. So in ways it is older, yet newer. > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centosWhat do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have recently discovered...
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:02:40 +0100 H wrote:> What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6?I personally use Geany and/or vim, depending on what I'm doing and how I'm doing it. You can find pre-compiled rpms for the latest version of geany for Centos 6 and 7 on my website if you want them. (The Centos 6 i386 rpm is two versions behind but the x86_64 version is up to date. I don't have easy access to an i386 Centos 6 machine any more to build an i386 rpm, but you can easily do it yourself by compiling the src rpm that's there if you need it.) -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:02:40PM +0100, H wrote:> What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression > of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and > scripting languages but also markdown which I have recently discovered...I don't want to spur an editor war, but I use emacs for programming and vim for quick edits, particularly on remote systems or inside a tmux shell. -- Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:02, H wrote:> On 02/02/2016 03:50 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: >> On 02/02/2016 09:28 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: >> > CentOS is not a bleeding-edge distribution that constantly keeps >> > packages up to date with the upstream projects. If you want that, try >> > another distribution like Fedora. >> <rant> >> GNOME can get a rebase to a newer version, but KDE can't..... this from a >> former KDE user who would love to go back to KDE but refuses to deal with >> the issues older versions have. >> >> This is, of course, an upstream issue and not a CentOS one, and I know >> that.... so I now use GNOME, even though it would be nice to see parity in >> the allowing of a rebase of KDE like the one for GNOME. >> </rant> >> >> >> > There is a 3rd-party repository that might have an upgraded KDE: >> > http: //www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php >> > >> >> Trinity Desktop (TDE), is a fork of KDE 3.x, and not updated from that. So >> in ways it is older, yet newer. >> > What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression of > kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and > scripting languages but also markdown which I have recently discovered...Well, KDE has its own trouble, even upstream, and for RedHat / Fedora packagers KDE seems a clear second or third choice to work on. The Gnome upgrade from Centos 7.1 to 7.2 was "urgs" and has driven me to switch to XFCE even @work, where I had to ask the sys-admins for allowance beforehand. vim / gvim / jedit Vim and its graphical frontend gvim are in use for nearly all my tasks as text-editors. A special place in my heart has (g)vimdiff which is a great help im my daily work (shell-scripts, php, css, html, js, and markdown make most the volume) The availability of a very powerfull text editor that can be worked with in a terminal the same whether local or remote (via ssh) gives a concistency that other editors lack, or, in the case of emacs, are not my taste at all. Jedit is java based, and for me in use where projects span bejond a single Operating System (Linux, Solaris, Windows and MacOS mostly). - Yamaban
On 2/2/2016 12:02 PM, H wrote:> What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first > impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual > programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I haveI used gedit and Windows' Notepad for a long time until I stumbled across SciTE. I now use SciTE on CentOS 5, CentOS 7, and Windows because it's programmable and cross-platform. I have never actually used it on CentOS 6, though. It doesn't appear to support Markdown out of the box, either, but I think it's possible to add your own language files. The last couple versions won't compile on CentOS 5, but I wasn't affected by any of the bugs they fixed and I'm migrating to 7 anyway. -- -Chris
On 02/02/16 12:02, H wrote:> On 02/02/2016 03:50 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: >> On 02/02/2016 09:28 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: >>> CentOS is not a bleeding-edge distribution that constantly keeps >>> packages up to date with the upstream projects. If you want that, try >>> another distribution like Fedora. >> <rant> >> GNOME can get a rebase to a newer version, but KDE can't..... this >> from a former KDE user who would love to go back to KDE but refuses to >> deal with the issues older versions have. >> >> This is, of course, an upstream issue and not a CentOS one, and I know >> that.... so I now use GNOME, even though it would be nice to see >> parity in the allowing of a rebase of KDE like the one for GNOME. >> </rant> >> >> >>> There is a 3rd-party repository that might have an upgraded KDE: >>> http://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php >>> >> >> Trinity Desktop (TDE), is a fork of KDE 3.x, and not updated from >> that. So in ways it is older, yet newer. >>I use Eclipse. There are plug in extensions for pretty near any language you might favor. -- _ ?v? /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ ****
Dear All, Suppose I executed the command rm -rf / on my CentOS 7 box. After it did what it could, how much damage will be done to what I have (or _had_ rather ;-) on my hard drive? I'm going to describe simple experiment which was prompted in another thread. I need to say a few words before I do it, however. First of all, that other thread was about doing the same thing on UEFI machine. This experiment has nothing to do with UEFI, it was done not with the goal to answer that question for UEFI machine. What I did is this: I took two used drives (same manufacturer, same model, same size). Then on some (pre-UEFI) hardware I kick-start installed Development workstation (whith a bunch of scientific software I install for people in our department). I did this install twice, once of each of drives. Then I booted freshly installed system, went to virtual console, logged in as root, and did: cd / rm -rfv / (yes, I decided to add verbose flag to see things flying away). Guess what? My clever CentOS 7 box told me that I am trying to remove everything from root filesystem, and failed (I know, rm is aliased to "rm -i", that still was not why this happened. Clever!). So, being determined to still attempt to remove everything, I executed the command with an extra option: rm -rfv --no-preserve-root / and finally things started flying away, then the box locked with a bunch of rm: cannot remove "/proc/sys/fs...": permission denied OK, looks like I achieved the goal. I let this "obliterated" box sit for another couple of hours like that. Then I did the only thing you can do in this situation: pulled the power cord. After that was done, I had two drives: one subjected to "rm -rf /" and another not. This is not quite clean experiment as one drive was not a clone of another; kickstart strictly speaking does not guarantee the drives are identical. Also, as experiment is not clean, I decided I will not boot system with second drive at all. Before I go to comparison of two drives I need to tell you that I still partition the drives when I install system, and here how the drive is partitioned (as configured in kickstart file): partition number filesystem 1 /boot 2 /usr 3 / 5 /home 6 swap 7 /var 8 /tmp 9 /data Now, I mounted each of the drives on different machine, and compared them to see what I still have on the drive I tried to obliterate wit "rm -rf /". Here is what I see: / contains on its top level all what it did (plus one more file: core dump!) My /etc lives on root filesystem, so I looked how damaged that is. On "obliterated" drive: find /media/80caeb82-571a-4afe-b3bf-9bce1a35f49a/etc -type f | wc -l 2280 On intact comparison drive: find /media/e2132f68-01a0-4815-aa38-1180ebcd41dc/etc -type f | wc -l 2272 (a few things did not create on comparison drive which I never booted). In general, all seems intact! I have /usr on separate partition, let's see what happened to /usr: On "obliterated" drive: find /media/39766043-9733-4f76-800f-696e604845ff -type f | wc -l 289498 du -s /media/39766043-9733-4f76-800f-696e604845ff 7438636 /media/39766043-9733-4f76-800f-696e604845ff On intact comparison drive: find /media/a3912c30-bf5f-4788-83f7-70756ef4b4ac -type f | wc -l 289498 du -s /media/a3912c30-bf5f-4788-83f7-70756ef4b4ac 7438640 /media/a3912c30-bf5f-4788-83f7-70756ef4b4ac Well, all seems intact again. OK, now: how about stuff that in / comes alphabetically before /dev? First, symlink /bin (pointing to /usr/bin) stayed intact! This is not what I expected, but I'm sure some clever person will explain that. Second, I have two different partitions mounted as /boot and /data. Both of them are gone (though their mount points stayed intact). By no means I am considering myself an expert, but what I see is pretty much what I expected. Namely, the kernel talks to hard drive via block device (or raw device whenever applicable). Therefore, once resembling device is deleted from /dev, there will be no more changes to the content on hard drive platters. So, all in all "rm -rf /" is much less disatrous than it sounds. It only obliterates stuff that every sysadmin can re-create (like /boot or /bin bacl then when it was not symlink to /usr/bin). So, happy "rm -rf /"-ing everybody! I know there are many experts on this list (from whom I constantly learn something!). They probably give much better explanation of what I observed in the experiment I described. Cheers, Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 02/02/2016 06:29 PM, Frank Cox wrote:> On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:02:40 +0100 > H wrote: > >> What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? > I personally use Geany and/or vim, depending on what I'm doing and how I'm doing it. > > You can find pre-compiled rpms for the latest version of geany for Centos 6 and 7 on my website if you want them. (The Centos 6 i386 rpm is two versions behind but the x86_64 version is up to date. I don't have easy access to an i386 Centos 6 machine any more to build an i386 rpm, but you can easily do it yourself by compiling the src rpm that's there if you need it.) >Thank you, I will look at geany. I did download the markdown plugin for gedit and used that editor for now.
On 02/02/2016 07:19 PM, Yamaban wrote:> On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:02, H wrote: >> On 02/02/2016 03:50 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: >>> On 02/02/2016 09:28 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: >>> > CentOS is not a bleeding-edge distribution that constantly keeps >>> > packages up to date with the upstream projects. If you want >>> that, try >>> > another distribution like Fedora. >>> <rant> >>> GNOME can get a rebase to a newer version, but KDE can't..... this >>> from a >>> former KDE user who would love to go back to KDE but refuses to >>> deal with >>> the issues older versions have. >>> >>> This is, of course, an upstream issue and not a CentOS one, and I know >>> that.... so I now use GNOME, even though it would be nice to see >>> parity in >>> the allowing of a rebase of KDE like the one for GNOME. >>> </rant> >>> >>> >>> > There is a 3rd-party repository that might have an upgraded KDE: >>> > http: //www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php >>> > >>> Trinity Desktop (TDE), is a fork of KDE 3.x, and not updated from >>> that. So >>> in ways it is older, yet newer. >>> >> What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first >> impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual >> programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have >> recently discovered... > > Well, KDE has its own trouble, even upstream, and for RedHat / Fedora > packagers KDE seems a clear second or third choice to work on. > > The Gnome upgrade from Centos 7.1 to 7.2 was "urgs" and has driven me to > switch to XFCE even @work, where I had to ask the sys-admins for > allowance beforehand. > > vim / gvim / jedit > > Vim and its graphical frontend gvim are in use for nearly all my tasks as > text-editors. A special place in my heart has (g)vimdiff which is a great > help im my daily work (shell-scripts, php, css, html, js, and markdown > make most the volume) > > The availability of a very powerfull text editor that can be worked > with in a terminal the same whether local or remote (via ssh) gives a > concistency that other editors lack, or, in the case of emacs, are not > my taste at all. > > Jedit is java based, and for me in use where projects span bejond a > single > Operating System (Linux, Solaris, Windows and MacOS mostly). > > - Yamaban > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centosThank you, I will look at them. I did download the markdown plugin for gedit and used that editor for now.
On 02/02/2016 07:20 PM, Chris Beattie wrote:> On 2/2/2016 12:02 PM, H wrote: >> What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first >> impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual >> programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have > I used gedit and Windows' Notepad for a long time until I stumbled across SciTE. > > I now use SciTE on CentOS 5, CentOS 7, and Windows because it's programmable and cross-platform. I have never actually used it on CentOS 6, though. It doesn't appear to support Markdown out of the box, either, but I think it's possible to add your own language files. > > The last couple versions won't compile on CentOS 5, but I wasn't affected by any of the bugs they fixed and I'm migrating to 7 anyway. >Thank you, I will look at SciTE. I did download the markdown plugin for gedit and used that editor for now.
On 03/02/16 04:02, H wrote:> What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first > impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual > programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have > recently discovered...Sublime Text [0] slaughters them all, IMO, except for VIM at the CLI! [0] https://www.sublimetext.com/
On Tue, February 9, 2016 8:36 pm, Anthony K wrote:> On 03/02/16 04:02, H wrote: >> What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first >> impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual >> programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have >> recently discovered... > > > Sublime Text [0] slaughters them all, IMO, except for VIM at the CLI! > > > [0] https://www.sublimetext.com/ >I for one am staying away from proprietary software at least for myself - to the best of my ability. Just my $0.02 Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 02/02/2016 06:29 PM, Frank Cox wrote:> On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:02:40 +0100 > H wrote: > >> What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? > I personally use Geany and/or vim, depending on what I'm doing and how I'm doing it. > > You can find pre-compiled rpms for the latest version of geany for Centos 6 and 7 on my website if you want them. (The Centos 6 i386 rpm is two versions behind but the x86_64 version is up to date. I don't have easy access to an i386 Centos 6 machine any more to build an i386 rpm, but you can easily do it yourself by compiling the src rpm that's there if you need it.) >I initially downloaded geany 1.24 from the EPEL repository but now wanted to install the plugin package which is not in EPEL. I visited your webpage , downloaded the Centos 6 x86_64 version of both geany 1.26 and the and lib-geany, which I assume is the plugin-package, but neither could be installed. The first fails with: geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires libgeany.so.0()(64bit) geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany-libgeany = 1.26-1.el6 and the second with: geany-libgeany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany = 1.26-1.el6 which seems catch-22. Would you happen to have both of them installable? As an aside, it would be great if both of these packages were in EPEL so a simple yum update could work. Thank you.