On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 16:39 -0800, John R Pierce wrote:> On 2/10/2015 3:28 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > 3. The Russian's web site is that of a devote cyclist. > > oh, well, I'm glad that makes the copyright violation of stealing an > authors work OK in your book.Another bored expert desperate for a modicum of excitement ? You have absolutely no prima facie evidence to support your assertion. I refer you to my posting dated Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:10:35 +0000 which includes, inter alia:- "Keith neither of us know whether or not the Russian man obtained his PDF copy of the book lawfully. In my book-publishing opinion, the PDF appears to have originated from the book's publisher, so the original source must have been *the* official source. Hence the book, in the PDF version, must have been written by the official authors. "The existence of an alleged unpaid-for copy on a foreign web site can not, in any sense whatsoever, denigrate, diminish nor deprecate the official authors distinguished achievement. "There are poor people all around the world who enjoy computers including Linux and whom would benefit from learning more about Linux. Some who can read English sufficiently proficiently to benefit from the book's text, may be too poor to afford the, to them in their country, "exorbitant" Western price for an "official" copy. Some publishers recognise this reality and sell in third-world countries at a small fraction of the "Western" price. In those circumstances selling PDFs for an extremely low price may be the source of this particular PDF especially as hardbacks and paperbacks could never economically be sold as low as a very low cost "official" PDF copy." FACT: Valeri's recommendation is, in my opinion, a useful source of basic knowledge benefiting Centos users regardless whether that book in printed on paper or is a virtual or an electronic "book" (i.e. PDF). ANOTHER FACT: Linux Programmer's Reference, Petersen, Osborne McGraw-Hill 1998 - ISBN 0-07-882587-3, which I obtained on 27 October 2000, is also a good good source of useful information. I've started re-reading the 71 pages on BASH. I never knew the first character on the first line could be a space. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie.
On 2/10/2015 4:58 PM, Always Learning wrote:> You have absolutely no prima facie evidence to support your assertion.Seriously? from page 5 of said PDF. Copyright ? 2011 Pearson Education, Inc. All rights reserved. Printed in the United States of America. This publication is protected by copyright, and permission must be obtained from the publisher prior to any prohibited reproduction, storage in a retrieval system, or transmission in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or likewise.... -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast
On Tue, February 10, 2015 6:58 pm, Always Learning wrote:> > On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 16:39 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: >> On 2/10/2015 3:28 PM, Always Learning wrote: >> > 3. The Russian's web site is that of a devote cyclist. >> >> oh, well, I'm glad that makes the copyright violation of stealing an >> authors work OK in your book. > > Another bored expert desperate for a modicum of excitement ? > > You have absolutely no prima facie evidence to support your assertion. > > I refer you to my posting dated Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:10:35 +0000 which > includes, inter alia:- > > "Keith neither of us know whether or not the Russian man obtained his > PDF copy of the book lawfully. In my book-publishing opinion, the PDF > appears to have originated from the book's publisher, so the original > source must have been *the* official source. Hence the book, in the PDF > version, must have been written by the official authors. > > "The existence of an alleged unpaid-for copy on a foreign web site can > not, in any sense whatsoever, denigrate, diminish nor deprecate the > official authors distinguished achievement. > > "There are poor people all around the world who enjoy computers > including Linux and whom would benefit from learning more about Linux. > Some who can read English sufficiently proficiently to benefit from the > book's text, may be too poor to afford the, to them in their country, > "exorbitant" Western price for an "official" copy. Some publishers > recognise this reality and sell in third-world countries at a small > fraction of the "Western" price. In those circumstances selling PDFs for > an extremely low price may be the source of this particular PDF > especially as hardbacks and paperbacks could never economically be sold > as low as a very low cost "official" PDF copy." > > FACT: Valeri's recommendation is, in my opinion, a useful source of > basic knowledge benefiting Centos users regardless whether that book in > printed on paper or is a virtual or an electronic "book" (i.e. PDF).Just to make it clear: I recommended the book itself without pointing to any source of it, and when pirate copy was mentioned by somebody else, I had to say I do not recommend that source and would recommend to buy the book on amazon. The guy who put document copyrighted to somebody else is either stupid or ignorant (and I don't care if he is Russian, Bulgarian, Chinese, or USA person, or...). Ignorance in this place is akin full disregard of another person's hard work and rights (Book brilliant authors' and copyright holders'). I doubt we can educate that Russian guy. Unless someone who feels good towards him can find way to contact him and explain everything... Not I definitely ;-) Valeri> > ANOTHER FACT: Linux Programmer's Reference, Petersen, Osborne > McGraw-Hill 1998 - ISBN 0-07-882587-3, which I obtained on 27 October > 2000, is also a good good source of useful information. I've started > re-reading the 71 pages on BASH. I never knew the first character on > the first line could be a space. > > -- > Regards, > > Paul. > England, EU. Je suis Charlie. > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 17:14 -0800, John R Pierce wrote:> On 2/10/2015 4:58 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > You have absolutely no prima facie evidence to support your assertion. > > Seriously? from page 5 of said PDF. > > Copyright ? 2011 Pearson Education, Inc. All rights reserved. > Printed in the United States of America. This publication is > protected by copyright, and permission must be obtained from the > publisher prior to any prohibited reproduction, storage in a > retrieval system, or transmission in any form or by any means, > electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or likewise....Oh dear. Legal point 1: you do not know the source of the Russian's PDF. Legal point 2: you can not determine with certainty that the said PDF is *not* a lawful copy. Legal point 3: you can not establish the Russian's possession of the PDF is *not* lawful. Legal point 4: Page iv (meaning preface page 4 but physical page 5) contains "Copyright ? 2011 Pearson Education, Inc. All rights reserved. Printed in the United States of America. This publication is protected by copyright, and permission must be obtained from the publisher prior to any prohibited reproduction, storage in a retrieval system, or transmission in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or likewise. For information regarding permissions, write to: Pearson Education, Inc. Rights and Contracts Department 501 Boylston Street, Suite 900 Boston, MA 02116 Fax: (617) 671-3447 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-148005-6 ISBN-10: 0-13-148005-7 Text printed in the United States on recycled paper at Edwards Brothers in Ann Arbor, Michigan. First printing, June 2010" Legal point 5: You are seriously mistaken in asserting the said PDF did *not* originate from the publisher. Legal point 6: You have no case to argue. Legal point 7: You are unproductively using your own, and other's, time, interest and energy. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie.
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 19:19 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote:> Just to make it clear: I recommended the book itself without pointing to > any source of it, and when pirate copy was mentioned by somebody else, I > had to say I do not recommend that source and would recommend to buy the > book on amazon.The person asserting the copy was "pirated" (meaning stolen) has no proof it was stolen. Just because someone jumps up and down shouting various things, can not in law make any of those things a fact. To prove something one needs FACTS which is also known as evidence. No evidence exists that the copy was stolen. Justice depends on factual information not people inventing "facts" without proof. If I claimed you were Bill Gates' brother, would that actually make you Bill Gates' brother ? -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie.