Hi, Taking this to a new thread. Thoughts on getting a new list started up ? Should it be centos-sysadmin or centos-infra ? Are we going to then restrict it to admin/infra related chatter ? in which case, does the eyeball density on this list reduce for that sort of content ? How about the politics and news stuff that gets posted to this list. And how would those things be addressed with the new admin focused list ? - KB
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:47:39 +0000 Karanbir Singh wrote:> Hi, > > Taking this to a new thread. > > Thoughts on getting a new list started up ? Should it be > centos-sysadmin or centos-infra ? Are we going to then restrict it to > admin/infra related chatter ? in which case, does the eyeball density on > this list reduce for that sort of content ?The problem with starting a new list is just exactly that: You split the audience and have less exposure on both lists. Everyone then needs to subscribe to two lists instead of one to "keep up with stuff".> How about the politics and news stuff that gets posted to this list. > And how would those things be addressed with the new admin focused list ?My personal opinion is that it's not a big deal. As with other mailing lists, stuff I'm not interested in I simply ignore. Even though it's not directly on-topic for this list, I personally find the WP thread interesting. We don't need another Slashdot on a mailing list, of course, but it's not out of hand yet in my humble opinion. Of course, if others see a need to start another list then I'm perfectly happy to tag along and join up with that one, too. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 03:47:39PM +0000, Karanbir Singh wrote:> > Thoughts on getting a new list started up ? Should it be > centos-sysadmin or centos-infra ? Are we going to then restrict it to > admin/infra related chatter ? in which case, does the eyeball density on > this list reduce for that sort of content ? > > How about the politics and news stuff that gets posted to this list. > And how would those things be addressed with the new admin focused list ?I like the idea of a catch-all offtopic list--the objection raised that "there exists a list where this is on-topic" means that a) one has to find this list, b) one has to join this list, and c) one has to learn the local conventions on this list, all before posting something you think might be relevant. Whereas, if there is a "centos-offtopic" list or similar, which is very likely a high proportion of centos readers, you don't have any of these concerns (well, unless you go completely nuts like "how do I find an S&M club in Sochi?"). Beyond that, what would the topic(s)/topic limits of the new list(s) be? One potential proposal: centos-admin: tech topics that are not directly related to CentOS (Niki's Oracle Linux question would fit here) centos-offtopic: any other random runaway threads or non-tech topics We on the centos list need to be disciplined to move threads to the appropriate list when they get offtopic for centos (this means not relying on KB to intervene, but suggesting a move ourselves if we see it before someone else does) if we do go ahead with new lists that are not directly on-topic. --keith -- kkeller at wombat.san-francisco.ca.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20101124/05653dc3/attachment-0001.sig>
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:24:03 -0800 Keith Keller wrote:> this means not > relying on KB to intervene, but suggesting a move ourselves if we see it > before someone else does) if we do go ahead with new lists that are not > directly on-topic.Then you get eighty-seven people jumping on a message saying "that's off-topic, move it X". Which creates far more noise than the initial "offence". -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com
On 11/24/2010 10:47 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:> Hi, > > Taking this to a new thread. > > Thoughts on getting a new list started up ? Should it be > centos-sysadmin or centos-infra ? Are we going to then restrict it to > admin/infra related chatter ? in which case, does the eyeball density on > this list reduce for that sort of content ? > > How about the politics and news stuff that gets posted to this list. > And how would those things be addressed with the new admin focused list ?I agree with most of the other posts. This is the highest volume mailing list that I'm on at the moment, but I still don't think there is a high enough volume that it needs to be split up. It would create confusion about the proper place to post questions, since questions frequently do not fit into simple categories. It also (as has already been said) will create more useless posts talking about the proper list for various questions. I'll put my vote in for keeping the single list. -- Bowie
> Thoughts on getting a new list started up ? Should it be > centos-sysadmin or centos-infra ? Are we going to then restrict it to > admin/infra related chatter ? in which case, does the eyeball density > on this list reduce for that sort of content ?I would love a new list for sysadmins. Having a lower volume list that does not encourage newbie posts would be ideal for me. Serious technical problems either go unanswered because they get lost in the noise, or because maybe the more knowledgable sysadmins don't waste their time here. I don't mean to say there aren't knowledgeable and able people here, but I think if there was a list focused to them, then I think that would attract more technical people who are able to help each other out on problems higher up the food chain. But maybe that's an idea for a generic linux list and not a CentOS focused one. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20101125/82db91ec/attachment-0001.sig>
Further to my last email, another option for more technical users is Reddit. I started http://www.reddit.com/r/linuxadmin about a year ago. Free signup, no confirmation, just choose a login and password and go (and there's much more on Reddit which may appeal). /r/linuxadmin currently has just under 900 readers. It's not CentOS focused, but is aimed at more technical problems and discussions and may be an alternative for people if this list doesn't get split. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20101125/61c0cd38/attachment-0001.sig>
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 09:06 +1300, Spiro Harvey wrote:> I don't mean to say there aren't knowledgeable and able people here, > but I think if there was a list focused to them, then I think that > would attract more technical people who are able to help each other out > on problems higher up the food chain. > But maybe that's an idea for a generic linux list and not a CentOS > focused one.These already exist. [And I agree, most of administration is distribution agnostic]. lopsa-tech is very high quality. <https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech> <quote> The tech at lopsa.org mailing list is an open forum for the discussion of any technical topics of interest to systems administrators. This list is technology agnostic, and constructive communications regarding any operating system, vendor, or technology are welcome. </quote> But in general it is simply true that if you want answers about something specific you are better off on a specific list - because that is where the people who have the answers are. Whether that is the Samba list(s), the Postfix list, the OpenLDAP list(s), bind-users@, etc...
Spiro Harvey wrote:>> Thoughts on getting a new list started up ? Should it be >> centos-sysadmin or centos-infra ? Are we going to then restrict it to >> admin/infra related chatter ? in which case, does the eyeball density >> on this list reduce for that sort of content ? > > I would love a new list for sysadmins. Having a lower volume list that > does not encourage newbie posts would be ideal for me. Serious technical > problems either go unanswered because they get lost in the noise, or > because maybe the more knowledgable sysadmins don't waste their time > here.<snip> I suppose I should dust off and finish up the FAQ that I wrote up six months or so ago. That might help cut some of the really obnoxious newby posts (WoW!!! I just installed CentOS, ain't I l33t, now how do I log in?!?!?!). mark
Karanbir Singh a ?crit :> > How about the politics and news stuff that gets posted to this list. > And how would those things be addressed with the new admin focused list ? >"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one frequently goes ranting on and on at ball-breaking length." -- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, first draft :o)