I seem to be having network and email issues tonight; please
excuse any duplication
-- Russ herrold
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Open Letter to Lance Davis
July 30, 2009 04:39 UTC
This is an Open Letter to Lance Davis from fellow CentOS Developers It is
regrettable that we are forced to send this letter but we are left with
no other options. For some time now we have been attempting to resolve
these problems:
You seem to have crawled into a hole ... and this is not acceptable.
You have long promised a statement of CentOS project funds; to this date
this has not appeared.
You hold sole control of the centos.org domain with no deputy; this is
not proper.
You have, it seems, sole 'Founders' rights in the IRC channels with
no
deputy ; this is not proper.
When I (Russ) try to call the phone numbers for UK Linux, and for you
individually, I get a telco intercept 'Lines are temporarily busy'
for
the last two weeks. Finally yesterday, a voicemail in your voice picked
up, and I left a message urgently requesting a reply. Karanbir also
reports calling and leaving messages without your reply.
Please do not kill CentOS through your fear of shared management of the
project.
Clearly the project dies if all the developers walk away.
Please contact me, or any other signer of this letter at once, to arrange
for the required information to keep the project alive at the
'centos.org' domain.
Sincerely,
Russ Herrold
Ralph Angenendt
Karanbir Singh
Jim Perrin
Donavan Nelson
Tim Verhoeven
Tru Huynh
Johnny Hughes
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One of the criticisms I hear the most often about centos is the lack of transparency. This is one of the things that most of ( I can't speak for everyone) the devs agree with, and are working to fix. If you donate to centos you have a right to know how that money is being used. The donations should shown some level of recognition or appreciation, etc. I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this, as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know where the community stands on this. I'd rather be wrong, but know how people feel than take a stand for a community who has other ideas. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:34 AM, R P Herrold<herrold at centos.org> wrote:> > I seem to be having network and email issues tonight; ?please excuse any > duplication > > -- Russ herrold > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HTML dump on Thu Jul 30 00:30:33 EDT 2009 > ? ? http://www.centos.org/ > > > ? Open Letter to Lance Davis > > ? July 30, 2009 04:39 UTC > > ? This is an Open Letter to Lance Davis from fellow CentOS Developers It is > ? regrettable that we are forced to send this letter but we are left with > ? no other options. For some time now we have been attempting to resolve > ? these problems: > > ? You seem to have crawled into a hole ... and this is not acceptable. > > ? You have long promised a statement of CentOS project funds; to this date > ? this has not appeared. > > ? You hold sole control of the centos.org domain with no deputy; this is > ? not proper. > > ? You have, it seems, sole 'Founders' rights in the IRC channels with no > ? deputy ; this is not proper. > > ? When I (Russ) try to call the phone numbers for UK Linux, and for you > ? individually, I get a telco intercept 'Lines are temporarily busy' for > ? the last two weeks. Finally yesterday, a voicemail in your voice picked > ? up, and I left a message urgently requesting a reply. Karanbir also > ? reports calling and leaving messages without your reply. > > ? Please do not kill CentOS through your fear of shared management of the > ? project. > > ? Clearly the project dies if all the developers walk away. > > ? Please contact me, or any other signer of this letter at once, to arrange > ? for the required information to keep the project alive at the > ? 'centos.org' domain. > > ? Sincerely, > ? Russ Herrold > ? Ralph Angenendt > ? Karanbir Singh > ? Jim Perrin > ? Donavan Nelson > ? Tim Verhoeven > ? Tru Huynh > ? Johnny Hughes > > - ---------------------------------- > This document clearsigned with the key indicated and of record at the > customary keyservers > > See: > http://orcorc.blogspot.com/2008/08/gnupg-few-minutes-on-using-detached-and.html > > user: "R P Herrold <herrold at owlriver.com>" > 1024-bit DSA key, ID 9B649644, created 2003-02-09 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFKcSQKMRh1QZtklkQRAqIFAJ96+UzMm7O0/JanMcYYqnX+UPJhMwCeOoL9 > s83yIVHOmbcASgmb4hE8GRY> =2Yg2 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > >-- During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell
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applause and kudos to the team! I won't say more, a lot has been said already. I just hope that everything can be sorted out in a manner that doesn't crash too many porcelain and makes all involved parties comfortable in the end. Kai -- Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
Since 2004 or so, I have donated each year to the CentOS project, at the requested rate, for each of our servers. While I never really gave the matter any thought (fool that I am) I presumed that any organisation that solicited funds would, at a minimum, be incorporated, have a board of directors, duly appointed officers and hold all corporate identity elements such as internet domain names, brand trademarks and such as corporate property. Evidently, my beliefs in this matter were sadly unfounded. Now, I appreciate that whilst somewhat embarrassing, the immediate matter is easily resolved, turning as it does on retention or depreciation of the centos.org domain. Presumably those who donated bandwidth and servers to the CentOS.old project will in the main continue to support the CentOS.new project. Equally, unless some injury that has not yet come to light has been done to them, it seems likely that most of the current maintainers will move their loyalties and future technical contributions to CentOS.new. However, having been bitten once, I feel that I must ask this more formal question. What steps, if any, have been taken to establish the CentOS project as a separate legal entity distinct from any individual contributor? What protections are being put in place to prevent future misappropriations of donations and advertising revenue, even if it turns out that no such thing has as yet happened? Sincerely,
On 07/30/2009 06:34 AM, R P Herrold wrote:> This is an Open Letter to Lance Davis from fellow CentOS DevelopersPeople looking for info about this and recent progress will find relevant info being updated on http://www.centos.org/ as things develop. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq