I can't choose LILO as boot loader anymore in the install process? And what is the advantages in GRUP vs. LILO that are so great that LILO has been deleted all together? One big disadvantages when forced to use GRUB is that it is a hassle to make the disks in a RAID1 bootable. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2005-March/msg05935.html and RAID1 seems pretty useless when it is the only bootable disk that fails. can someone come up with a nice one-liner that will make GRUB "global" like LILO is out-of-the-box ? or is ther a parameter you can give? I don't know about you but when one of my disks fails I really don't need too many new check marks to worry about on my to do list. best regards Ulrik
lilo is still there. Its just not available as a choice in the install. We build all of our servers using kickstart (automated version of the install) and there lilo can be specified as a boot loader. Steve -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces at centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces at centos.org] On Behalf Of Ulrik S. Kofod Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:06 AM To: centos at centos.org Subject: [CentOS] why was LILO removed from centOS 4.2? I can't choose LILO as boot loader anymore in the install process? And what is the advantages in GRUP vs. LILO that are so great that LILO has been deleted all together? One big disadvantages when forced to use GRUB is that it is a hassle to make the disks in a RAID1 bootable. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2005-March/msg05935.html and RAID1 seems pretty useless when it is the only bootable disk that fails. can someone come up with a nice one-liner that will make GRUB "global" like LILO is out-of-the-box ? or is ther a parameter you can give? I don't know about you but when one of my disks fails I really don't need too many new check marks to worry about on my to do list. best regards Ulrik _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Ulrik S. Kofod wrote:> I can't choose LILO as boot loader anymore in the install process? And what is the > advantages in GRUP vs. LILO that are so great that LILO has been deleted all > together?lilo is included in the distro, when booting the installer add 'lilo' to the boot options list. - K
I meant not a visible choice by default :). Thanks for the tip. I was not aware of making it visible in that way. So at the prompt you type: "boot: lilo" ? Steve -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces at centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces at centos.org] On Behalf Of Karanbir Singh Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:14 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] why was LILO removed from centOS 4.2? Nielsen, Steve wrote:> lilo is still there. Its just not available as a choice in theinstall. yes it is available as an install option, you just need to ask anaconda for it ( boot the installer with 'lilo' as an option ) - K _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Aleksandar Milivojevic
2005-Nov-30 15:27 UTC
[CentOS] why was LILO removed from centOS 4.2?
Quoting "Ulrik S. Kofod" <usk at cybersite.dk>:> > I can't choose LILO as boot loader anymore in the install process? > And what is the > advantages in GRUP vs. LILO that are so great that LILO has been deleted all > together?It is still there, but not selectable from GUI. Most likely it is going to be removed in future versions of RH distributions (and therefore from CentOS too). You can still use "bootloader --useLilo" option in ks.cfg file (for automated KickStart installations). Other option is to install LILO RPM (hm, 3rd CD I think) after the GUI installation finishes, delete Grub RPM, create /etc/lilo.conf and run /sbin/lilo. Do note that there is no LILO in x86_64 distribution. Only in i386 distribution. I'm affraid for x86_64 you'll have to use Grub. I haven't attempted installing LILO RPM from i386 distribution onto x86_64. It *might* work...> One big disadvantages when forced to use GRUB is that it is a hassle > to make the > disks in a RAID1 bootable. > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2005-March/msg05935.htmlHmmm... that article sounds familiar ;-)> and RAID1 seems pretty useless when it is the only bootable disk that fails. > > can someone come up with a nice one-liner that will make GRUB > "global" like LILO is > out-of-the-box ? or is ther a parameter you can give?No one-liners here. But there's that two-liner in the above referenced article ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 04:06:08PM +0100, Ulrik S. Kofod wrote:> One big disadvantages when forced to use GRUB is that it is a hassle to > make the disks in a RAID1 bootable. > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2005-March/msg05935.htmlThis should be fixed in recent anaconda. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org <http://mattdm.org/> Boston University Linux ------> <http://linux.bu.edu/>
The question remains unanswered: WHY was LILO removed? We/you/they removed *something that works*. What took its place does not work everywhere LILO does... a functionality loss. I hear folks saying "that loss is corrected in a future release" That's saying GRUB is *almost* ready to replace LILO, which has been removed prematurely. The question was "Hey, REDHAT, *WHY*?" Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838>>> mail-lists at karan.org 11/30/05 10:55AM >>>Nielsen, Steve wrote:> I meant not a visible choice by default :). > > Thanks for the tip. I was not aware of making it visible in that way. > > So at the prompt you type: > > "boot: lilo" ? >boot: linux lilo - K _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated
>>> mail-lists at karan.org 11/30/05 11:57AM >>>Brian T. Brunner wrote:> The question remains unanswered: WHY was LILO removed?You seem to have missed the post where I highlighted the fact that it has not been removed. ***Yes, the "removed" was only virtual (making it invisible unless you have ***knowledge from elsewhere) not surgical.> > The question was "Hey, REDHAT, *WHY*?"you also seem to have the wrong forum for that question, please contact redhat at one of the following ***Anybody here know of a reason? Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated
The question was "WHY", the answer seems to be "because
'they' didn't like lilo"
1: Inadequate arch support in LILO
2: RAID1 boot problems with GRUB not deemed sufficiently important to leave
in LILO until said problem is resolved.
For ServerCD 4.3:
1: Please support i586 in the install.
Method: if arch is i686, install i686; if it's i386->i586, install
i386.
Brian Brunner
brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com
(610)796-5838
>>> mail-lists at karan.org 12/01/05 11:00AM >>>
Aleksandar Milivojevic wrote:
> Probably the LILO RPM missing on the CD. If you rebuild CD image with
> LILO RPM
> included, it might work.
>
if you can verify this, could you file this as an issue at
http://bugs.centos.org/ - I'll make sure the situation is rectified in
time for ServerCD 4.3
thanks
- K
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