Hi, this question is not Asterisk specific, but since there are so many experts present on this list, maybe its OK to ask anyways. I'm having a hard time "normalizing" rate sheets from different providers. What I mean with this: the goal is to always get the cheapest rate for a given destination. What I would like to do is throw like 10 rate sheets from different providers together and as output get a single rate sheet with only the cheapest rates. However, some providers are listing a country, lets say Germany, as code "49" with a specific rate, and another provider will list each city individually, and each code separately, e.g. Berlin "4930", Hamburg "4940" etc., and probably different cities have different rates as well. Now, if the "49" route of the first provider is cheaper, my system (a2billing) will still use the more expensive "4930" code because it is more specific. I'm looking for some awesome, smart tool that will automatically "normalize" all these code differences and output a clean ratesheet with only the cheapest rates. Does such a thing exist? I wonder how everyone else is "normalizing" their different rate sheets. With a homebrewn script? Thanks!
On 03/12/2012 06:52 PM, Markus wrote:> Now, if the "49" route of the first provider is cheaper, my > system (a2billing) will still use the more expensive "4930" code > because it is more specific.There is a great deal of wisdom in this approach that you may wish to consider carefully before abandoning. It is especially true in Europe, and really, anywhere outside the North American environment, which it doesn't sound like you're in to begin with. Calls to mobile operators, as well as certain premium number allocation prefixes, can be many times more expensive than calls to fixed-line operators. If 4945 were a mobile prefix that was three times more expensive than the overall +49 rate offered by the same provider, are you absolutely certain that you want to use the +49 rate? Even if you have some vendor that gives you a blended overall rate for +49, and you want to cherry-pick expensive routes off their blended rate plan, that still means you need to sort by longest prefix (descending) to know what you're comparing it against. -- Alex -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Atlanta, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Markus <universe at truemetal.org> wrote:> Hi, > > this question is not Asterisk specific, but since there are so many > experts present on this list, maybe its OK to ask anyways. > > I'm having a hard time "normalizing" rate sheets from different providers. > What I mean with this: the goal is to always get the cheapest rate for a > given destination. What I would like to do is throw like 10 rate sheets > from different providers together and as output get a single rate sheet > with only the cheapest rates. However, some providers are listing a > country, lets say Germany, as code "49" with a specific rate, and another > provider will list each city individually, and each code separately, e.g. > Berlin "4930", Hamburg "4940" etc., and probably different cities have > different rates as well. Now, if the "49" route of the first provider is > cheaper, my system (a2billing) will still use the more expensive "4930" > code because it is more specific. > > I'm looking for some awesome, smart tool that will automatically > "normalize" all these code differences and output a clean ratesheet with > only the cheapest rates. > > Does such a thing exist? I wonder how everyone else is "normalizing" their > different rate sheets. With a homebrewn script? > > Thanks! > >Markus, you're not the first person and certainly not the last person who's ever asked about this. I had tried this on several mailing lists a little while ago. A tool that could handle 10 or maybe even 5 provider rate-sheets all of which can potentially completely differ in formats from each other. Even worse are the rate update sheets from each provider which are many a times different from the initial rate sheets that the provider may have given you and then again they will differ from the rate updates from the remaining 4 providers you've just painstakingly inserted into your DB. Given the popularity of Asterisk and other popular OSS based telephony platforms with several successful businesses running 100s of millions of minutes, you'd think at least a few have sorted this problem out. But I believe those who have, never respond to these emails as it took them quite a bit of effort to create such a tool and aren't willing to just give it away. Just what I have observed (and was even blatantly told by someone on some mailing list, can't remember exactly) You may have to advertise in the commercial / business list or offer a bounty. There are several commercial solutions available but I think they all come as a "feature" of a larger billing/rating/routing platform -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20120328/40f20bf8/attachment.htm>
We solve this problem for our customers all the time, in various situationally-specific ways. But yes, we are not really in a position to genericise it and give it away. It's not because we are greedy. The time and resources just aren't there. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Atlanta, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com "A E [Gmail]" <all.eforums at gmail.com> wrote:>On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Markus <universe at truemetal.org> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> this question is not Asterisk specific, but since there are so many >> experts present on this list, maybe its OK to ask anyways. >> >> I'm having a hard time "normalizing" rate sheets from different providers. >> What I mean with this: the goal is to always get the cheapest rate for a >> given destination. What I would like to do is throw like 10 rate sheets >> from different providers together and as output get a single rate sheet >> with only the cheapest rates. However, some providers are listing a >> country, lets say Germany, as code "49" with a specific rate, and another >> provider will list each city individually, and each code separately, e.g. >> Berlin "4930", Hamburg "4940" etc., and probably different cities have >> different rates as well. Now, if the "49" route of the first provider is >> cheaper, my system (a2billing) will still use the more expensive "4930" >> code because it is more specific. >> >> I'm looking for some awesome, smart tool that will automatically >> "normalize" all these code differences and output a clean ratesheet with >> only the cheapest rates. >> >> Does such a thing exist? I wonder how everyone else is "normalizing" their >> different rate sheets. With a homebrewn script? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >Markus, > >you're not the first person and certainly not the last person who's ever >asked about this. I had tried this on several mailing lists a little while >ago. A tool that could handle 10 or maybe even 5 provider rate-sheets all >of which can potentially completely differ in formats from each other. Even >worse are the rate update sheets from each provider which are many a times >different from the initial rate sheets that the provider may have given you >and then again they will differ from the rate updates from the remaining 4 >providers you've just painstakingly inserted into your DB. > >Given the popularity of Asterisk and other popular OSS based telephony >platforms with several successful businesses running 100s of millions of >minutes, you'd think at least a few have sorted this problem out. But I >believe those who have, never respond to these emails as it took them quite >a bit of effort to create such a tool and aren't willing to just give it >away. > >Just what I have observed (and was even blatantly told by someone on some >mailing list, can't remember exactly) > >You may have to advertise in the commercial / business list or offer a >bounty. There are several commercial solutions available but I think they >all come as a "feature" of a larger billing/rating/routing platform > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >-- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- >New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: > http://www.asterisk.org/hello > >asterisk-users mailing list >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20120328/a1e16a75/attachment.htm>
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don't think it is fair for anyone to give out such work for free.
Unfortunately, many people are used to asking for free software solutions for
all their problems. Whatever happened to paying for someone else's
time and
effort?<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Christian
Savinovich</div><div><strong><em>VoIP & Telephony
Consultant</em></strong></div><div><br></div> <div><br><br></div>
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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"<br>
From: Alex Balashov <<a
href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 10:00 am<br>
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
Discussion        <br>
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We solve this problem for our customers all the time, in various
situationally-specific ways. But yes, we are not really in a position to
genericise it and give it away. It's not because we are greedy. The time and
resources just aren't there.<br><br>--<br>Alex Balashov -
Principal <br>Evariste Systems LLC <br>235 E Ponce de Leon Ave
<br>Suite 106<br>Atlanta, GA 30030 <br>Tel: +1-678-954-0670
<br>Fax: +1-404-961-1892 <br>Web: <a
href="http://www.evaristesys.com">http://www.evaristesys.com</a>/,
<a
href="http://www.alexbalashov.com">http://www.alexbalashov.com</a><br><br>"A
E [Gmail]" <<a
href="mailto:all.eforums@gmail.com">all.eforums@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div
class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Markus
<span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:universe@truemetal.org">universe@truemetal.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hi,<br> <br> this question is not
Asterisk specific, but since there are so many experts present on this list,
maybe its OK to ask anyways.<br> <br> I'm having a hard time
"normalizing" rate sheets from different providers. What I mean with
this: the goal is to always get the cheapest rate for a given destination. What
I would like to do is throw like 10 rate sheets from different providers
together and as output get a single rate sheet with only the cheapest rates.
However, some providers are listing a country, lets say Germany, as code
"49" with a specific rate, and another provider will list each city
individually, and each code separately, e.g. Berlin "4930", Hamburg
"4940" etc., and probably different cities have different rates as
well. Now, if the "49" route of the first provider is cheaper, my
system (a2billing) will still use the more expensive "4930" code
because it is more specific.<br> <br> I'm looking for some
awesome, smart tool that will automatically "normalize" all these code
differences and output a clean ratesheet with only the cheapest rates.<br>
<br> Does such a thing exist? I wonder how everyone else is
"normalizing" their different rate sheets. With a homebrewn
script?<br> <br> Thanks!<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Markus,</div><div><br></div><div>you're
not the first person and certainly not the last person who's ever asked
about this. I had tried this on several mailing lists a little while ago.
A tool that could handle 10 or maybe even 5 provider rate-sheets all
of which can potentially completely differ in formats from each other. Even
worse are the rate update sheets from each provider which are many a times
different from the initial rate sheets that the provider may have given you and
then again they will differ from the rate updates from the remaining 4 providers
you've just painstakingly inserted into your DB.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Given the popularity of Asterisk and
other popular OSS based telephony platforms with several successful businesses
running 100s of millions of minutes, you'd think at least a few have sorted
this problem out. But I believe those who have, never respond to these emails as
it took them quite a bit of effort to create such a tool and aren't willing
to just give it away.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Just what I have observed (and was
even blatantly told by someone on some mailing list, can't remember
exactly)</div><div><br></div><div>You may have to
advertise in the commercial / business list or offer a bounty. There are several
commercial solutions available but I think they all come as a
"feature" of a larger billing/rating/routing platform</div>
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<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000;
font-size:10pt;"><div><br></div><div>Sure
someone will benefit from it. But what about all those others who are
financially affected by it? I certainly do not think that someone necessarily
always contributes. It ultimately affects our economy, because money doesn't
circulate, and many people who are in a perfect position to disburse money just
don't do it. It affects an entire industry (the software industry)
that could flourish and create even better products thanks to a competition that
could exists if there were financial rewards. Ultimately, free
software (not open source) affects the little guy and benefits the big
guys. Gone are the days when a talented programmer could create a
program and make a million dollars from his basement with his talent. If your
company name is not Google, if you don't do a tap and a dance to an
investor, then you got no chance, as opposed to the days when you could just
sell your own version of Vicidial and make money for a
year.<br></div><div><br></div><div> But
rather than discussing about the pros and cons of open source, which is here to
stay, I would think that some people are doomed to fail if they think they can
run a business entirely on free rides. The goal of Open Source is to
benefit from sharing and share ahead, but unfortunately a segment of the market
has gotten to the point that it only takes but doesn't give
back.</div><div><br></div><div>Christian
Savinovich</div><div><strong><em>VoIP & Telephony
Consultant</em></strong></div><div>646-982-3572</div><div> </div><div><br><br></div>
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From: Leandro Dardini <<a
href="mailto:ldardini@gmail.com">ldardini@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 10:38 am<br>
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion<br>
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Continuing with the top post...<div><br></div><div>I
believe in open source philosophy. A software or a list of telephone prefix
makes no difference. If you want to make such list open source, you'll be
sure somebody will contribute to maintain it update and all
will benefit from it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Leandro<br><br><div
class="gmail_quote">2012/3/28 C. Savinovich <span
dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:c.savinovich@itntelecom.com">c.savinovich@itntelecom.com</a>></span><br><blockquote
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"><div><br></div><div>I
really don't think it is fair for anyone to give out such work for
free. Unfortunately, many people are used to asking for free software
solutions for all their problems. Whatever happened to paying for
someone else's time and effort?<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Christian
Savinovich</div><div><strong><em>VoIP & Telephony
Consultant</em></strong></div><div><br></div> <div><br><br></div>
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solid blue"> <div> -------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"<br>
From: Alex Balashov <<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com"
target="_blank">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 10:00 am<br> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List -
Non-Commercial Discussion <br> <<a
href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com"
target="_blank">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a>><br>
<br> We solve this problem for our customers all the time, in various
situationally-specific ways. But yes, we are not really in a position to
genericise it and give it away. It's not because we are greedy. The time and
resources just aren't there.<br> <br>--<br>Alex Balashov -
Principal <br>Evariste Systems LLC <br>235 E Ponce de Leon Ave
<br>Suite 106<br>Atlanta, GA 30030 <br>Tel: <a
href="tel:%2B1-678-954-0670" value="+16789540670"
target="_blank">+1-678-954-0670</a> <br> Fax: <a
href="tel:%2B1-404-961-1892" value="+14049611892"
target="_blank">+1-404-961-1892</a> <br>Web: <a
href="http://www.evaristesys.com"
target="_blank">http://www.evaristesys.com</a>/, <a
href="http://www.alexbalashov.com"
target="_blank">http://www.alexbalashov.com</a><br>
<br>"A E [Gmail]" <<a
href="mailto:all.eforums@gmail.com"
target="_blank">all.eforums@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div
class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Markus
<span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:universe@truemetal.org"
target="_blank">universe@truemetal.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hi,<br> <br> this question is not
Asterisk specific, but since there are so many experts present on this list,
maybe its OK to ask anyways.<br> <br> I'm having a hard time
"normalizing" rate sheets from different providers. What I mean with
this: the goal is to always get the cheapest rate for a given destination. What
I would like to do is throw like 10 rate sheets from different providers
together and as output get a single rate sheet with only the cheapest rates.
However, some providers are listing a country, lets say Germany, as code
"49" with a specific rate, and another provider will list each city
individually, and each code separately, e.g. Berlin "4930", Hamburg
"4940" etc., and probably different cities have different rates as
well. Now, if the "49" route of the first provider is cheaper, my
system (a2billing) will still use the more expensive "4930" code
because it is more specific.<br> <br> I'm looking for some
awesome, smart tool that will automatically "normalize" all these code
differences and output a clean ratesheet with only the cheapest rates.<br>
<br> Does such a thing exist? I wonder how everyone else is
"normalizing" their different rate sheets. With a homebrewn
script?<br> <br> Thanks!<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Markus,</div><div><br></div><div>you're
not the first person and certainly not the last person who's ever asked
about this. I had tried this on several mailing lists a little while ago.
A tool that could handle 10 or maybe even 5 provider rate-sheets all
of which can potentially completely differ in formats from each other. Even
worse are the rate update sheets from each provider which are many a times
different from the initial rate sheets that the provider may have given you and
then again they will differ from the rate updates from the remaining 4 providers
you've just painstakingly inserted into your DB.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Given the popularity of Asterisk and
other popular OSS based telephony platforms with several successful businesses
running 100s of millions of minutes, you'd think at least a few have sorted
this problem out. But I believe those who have, never respond to these emails as
it took them quite a bit of effort to create such a tool and aren't willing
to just give it away.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Just what I have observed (and was
even blatantly told by someone on some mailing list, can't remember
exactly)</div><div><br></div><div>You may have to
advertise in the commercial / business list or offer a bounty. There are several
commercial solutions available but I think they all come as a
"feature" of a larger billing/rating/routing platform</div>
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<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div><br></div><div>>>><span>If I can't make money off it, I might as well give it for free.<span id="GD__CURSOR"></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div>That's the problem! You can not make money off anything you write because there is an open source version for anything you might want to come up with!</div><div><br></div><div>Do we all have to have Mark Zuckerberg's genious to make it in this market?... what about an opportunity for the rest of us, normal developers?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Christian Savinovich</div><div><strong><em>VoIP & Telephony Consultant</em></strong></div> <div><br><br></div> <blockquote id="replyBlockquote" webmail="1" style="border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-size:10pt; color:black; font-family:verdana;"> <div id="wmQuoteWrapper"> -------- Original Message --------<br> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"<br> From: Tzafrir Cohen <<a href="mailto:tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com">tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com</a>><br> Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 12:57 pm<br> To: <a href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a><br> <br> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:27:03AM -0700, C. Savinovich wrote:<br>> I really don't think it is fair for anyone to give out such work for<br> > free. Unfortunately, many people are used to asking for free software<br> > solutions for all their problems. Whatever happened to paying for<br> > someone else's time and effort?<br><br> If I can't make money off it, I might as well give it for free. Limiting<br> access to the information has its costs as well. If the information is<br> publiclly available, I may actually get some good publicity and some<br> improvements from others. Not much. But then again it's better than the<br> 0 money I would have gotten in the hypothetical case.<br> <br> If you can make money off of it, then sure, go ahead.<br> <br> -- <br> Tzafrir Cohen<br> icq#16849755 jabber:<a href="mailto:tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com">tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com</a><br> +972-50-7952406 <a href="mailto:tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com">mailto:tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com</a><br> <a href="http://www.xorcom.com">http://www.xorcom.com</a> iax:guest@local.xorcom.com/tzafrir<br> <br> --<br> _____________________________________________________________________<br> -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com">http://www.api-digital.com</a> --<br> New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs:<br> <a href="http://www.asterisk.org/hello">http://www.asterisk.org/hello</a><br> <br> asterisk-users mailing list<br> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<br> <a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users</a><br> </div> </blockquote></span></body></html>
<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000;
font-size:10pt;"><div><br></div><div>>>><span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); clear:
both;"
mce_style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
"Way to make money" is to help folks use the "open source"
items in the most efficient
manner</span></span></div><div><br></div><div>Nobody
wants to pay me $2,000 to install and configure A2billing, which in my view, is
a fairly low price for my time. There are people who do that
for less than $500. I do know the tricks and formulas of how to make
money in calling cards, but go tell the customer, they don't care.
I don't care either, I am very busy in my consulting business, but it is
unfortunate that the better income source for developers just doesn't exist
anymore. I would make much more money if A2billing weren't open
source and I would selling copies of my own version of A2billing, probably even
developing a better product, definitely with the request that initiated this
thread included
;)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Christian
Savinovich</div><div><strong><em>VoIP & Telephony
Consultant</em></strong></div><div>646-982-3572</div><div> </div><div><br><br></div>
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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"<br>
From: "Danny Nicholas" <<a
href="mailto:danny@debsinc.com">danny@debsinc.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 1:41 pm<br>
To: "'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
Discussion'"<br>
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class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
“Way to make money” is to help folks use the “open source” items in the most
efficient manner and to provide “extra value” along the way. Just
because you can download Asterisk for “free” doesn’t make it worthless or
valuable; it’s what you can do to it (or can’t) that makes it that
way.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div
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0in"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a
href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>
[<a
href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Kelly<br><b>Sent:</b>
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Asterisk
Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
Discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] Rate
sheet
"normalization"<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div
class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Christian,
your signature says you’re a “VoIP and Telephony Consultant.” That implies that
your clients pay you for the value you add personally providing services to
them. Open source software doesn’t download itself and configure itself
appropriately all by itself—there are lots of people needing your
assistance.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN">--Don</span><span
style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in
0in"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>
<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com]">[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>C. Savinovich<br><b>Sent:</b>
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Asterisk
Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet
"normalization"<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div
class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">>>>If
I can't make money off it, I might as well give it for
free.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">That's
the problem! You can not make money off anything you write because there is an
open source version for anything you might want to come up
with!<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Do
we all have to have Mark Zuckerberg's genious to make it in this market?...
what about an opportunity for the rest of us, normal
developers?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Christian
Savinovich<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><em><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">VoIP
& Telephony Consultant</span></b></em><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div
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"normalization"<br>From: Tzafrir Cohen <<a
target="_blank"
href="mailto:tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com">tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com</a>><br>Date:
Wed, March 28, 2012 12:57 pm<br>To: <a target="_blank"
href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a><br><br>On
Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:27:03AM -0700, C. Savinovich wrote:<br>> I
really don't think it is fair for anyone to give out such work
for<br>> free. Unfortunately, many people are used to asking for free
software<br>> solutions for all their problems. Whatever happened to
paying for<br>> someone else's time and
effort?<br><br>If I can't make money off it, I might as well
give it for free. Limiting<br>access to the information has its costs as
well. If the information is<br>publiclly available, I may actually get
some good publicity and some<br>improvements from others. Not much. But
then again it's better than the<br>0 money I would have gotten in the
hypothetical case.<br><br>If you can make money off of it, then
sure, go ahead.<br><br>-- <br>Tzafrir
Cohen<br>icq#16849755 jabber:<a target="_blank"
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<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div>>>>><span>Umm, like the amount you paid for your copy of Asterisk and the Linux <br> server it runs on?<span id="GD__CURSOR"> </span></span></div><div><br></div><div>First, you are missing the point.</div><div><br></div><div>Second, you guys take away jobs from American developers. If there was a president in the USA who would make it illegal for companies to hire overseas developers, we would have hundreds of thousands of people employed here, and don't say that products will be more expensive, they wouldn't. Microsoft and Google have way too much money in the bank, which they could share if they didn't hire overseas programmers</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Christian Savinovich</div><div><strong><em>VoIP & Telephony Consultant</em></strong></div><div>646-982-3572</div><div> </div><div><br><br></div> <blockquote id="replyBlockquote" webmail="1" style="border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-size:10pt; color:black; font-family:verdana;"> <div id="wmQuoteWrapper"> -------- Original Message --------<br> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"<br> From: "Raj Mathur (राज माथुर)" <<a href="mailto:raju@linux-delhi.org">raju@linux-delhi.org</a>><br> Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 2:13 pm<br> To: <a href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a><br> <br> On Wednesday 28 Mar 2012, C. Savinovich wrote:<br>> I really don't think it is fair for anyone to give out such work for<br> > free. Unfortunately, many people are used to asking for free<br> > software solutions for all their problems. Whatever happened to<br> > paying for someone else's time and effort?<br><br> Umm, like the amount you paid for your copy of Asterisk and the Linux <br> server it runs on?<br> <br> -- Raj<br> -- <br> Raj Mathur || <a href="mailto:raju@kandalaya.org">raju@kandalaya.org</a> || GPG:<br> <a href="http://otheronepercent.blogspot.com">http://otheronepercent.blogspot.com</a> || <a href="http://kandalaya.org">http://kandalaya.org</a> || CC68<br> It is the mind that moves || <a href="http://schizoid.in">http://schizoid.in</a> || D17F<br> <br> --<br> _____________________________________________________________________<br> -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com">http://www.api-digital.com</a> --<br> New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs:<br> <a href="http://www.asterisk.org/hello">http://www.asterisk.org/hello</a><br> <br> asterisk-users mailing list<br> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<br> <a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users</a><br> </div> </blockquote></span></body></html>
I sympathise, as a fellow "American" developer. However, it is rather
childlike wishful thinking to purport to stop by force of law that natural
motion of capital which is certifiably unstoppable.
Global economic integration and interdependence ("globalisation") has
its pluses and minuses for everyone. To partake of the benefits of modernity,
you have to pay to play. You can't have the good without the bad.
Developing nations have every bit as many gripes with it as you do. While you
complain that jobs are being taken away from American developers and there is
downward wage pressure, the developing world complains of their macroeconomic
health being subjugated to the whims of some distant investors in faraway lands,
there self-sufficiency destroyed by supposedly organic "competitive
advantage", IMF-sponsored liberalisation and austerity measures that hurt
the people and increase concentration of wealth into few hands, expropriation of
land and resources into the hands of foreign conglomerates, etc. It is what it
is.
Regardless, there is no going back. It's like trying to put the milk back
into the cow. All you can do is make yourself competitive in global terms.
There is still much that you can do that cannot be usefully offshored.
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font-size:10pt;"><div><br></div><div>>>><span>Microsoft
and google will have no money if they dont hire overseas. Think of paying to
google for every search. <span
id="GD__CURSOR"></span></span></div><div><span><span><br></span></span></div><div><span><span>
That is false. A total misconception of reality. In addition, this is the second
time I repeat myself. there it goes again for you: Microsoft and Google have so
much money, that they only hire overseas because they are
greedy.</span></span></div><div><span><span><br></span></span></div><div><span><span>>>><span>Think
what will be happen if India and China blocking google and facebook, Microsoft.
<br><span
id="GD__CURSOR"></span></span></span></span></div><div><span><span><span><span><br></span></span></span></span></div><div><span><span><span><span>Nothing
will happen. They would just not have those markets. They would still be Google
and
Facebook.</span></span></span></span></div><div><span><span><span><span><br></span></span></span></span></div><div><span><span><span><span>>>><span>Dont
live with hate :). <span
id="GD__CURSOR"> </span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span><span><span><span><br></span></span></span></span></div><div><span><span><span><span>No
hate intended at all. This is only
business.<br></span></span></span></span></div><div><span><span><span><span><br></span></span></span></span></div><div><span><span><br></span></span></div><div><br></div><div>Christian
Savinovich</div><div><strong><em>VoIP & Telephony
Consultant</em></strong></div><div>646-982-3572</div><div> </div><div><br><br></div>
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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"<br>
From: Jai Rangi <<a
href="mailto:jprangi@gmail.com">jprangi@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 2:37 pm<br>
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion<br>
<<a
href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a
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<br>
Haha, Globalization my dear. Learn to deal with. Dont live with hate :).
<br>Second, <br>Microsoft and google will have no money if they dont
hire overseas. Think of paying to google for every search. Jobs going overseas
have taken some jobs but also have opened lots of opportunity. Think what will
be happen if India and China blocking google and facebook, Microsoft. <br>
<br><br>-Jai <br><br><div
class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:25 AM, C. Savinovich
<span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank"
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"><div
class="im"><div>>>>><span>Umm, like the
amount you paid for your copy of Asterisk and the Linux <br> server it
runs on?<span> </span></span></div><div>
<br></div></div><div>First, you are missing the
point.</div><div><br></div><div>Second, you guys
take away jobs from American developers. If there was a president in
the USA who would make it illegal for companies to hire overseas developers, we
would have hundreds of thousands of people employed here, and don't say that
products will be more expensive, they wouldn't. Microsoft and
Google have way too much money in the bank, which they could share if they
didn't hire overseas programmers</div> <div
class="im"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Christian
Savinovich</div><div><b><i>VoIP & Telephony
Consultant</i></b></div><div><a
href="tel:646-982-3572" value="+16469823572"
target="_blank">646-982-3572</a><br
mce_bogus="1"></div>
<div> </div><div><br><br></div>
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solid blue"> <div><div class="im"> --------
Original Message --------<br> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet
"normalization"<br></div> From: "Raj Mathur (राज
माथुर)" <<a href="mailto:raju@linux-delhi.org"
target="_blank">raju@linux-delhi.org</a>><br> Date:
Wed, March 28, 2012 2:13 pm<br> To: <a
href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com"
target="_blank">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a><div
class="im"><br> <br> On Wednesday 28 Mar 2012, C.
Savinovich wrote:<br> > I really don't think it is fair for anyone
to give out such work for<br> > free. Unfortunately, many people are
used to asking for free<br> > software solutions for all their
problems. Whatever happened to<br> > paying for someone else's time
and effort?<br> <br></div><div class="im">
Umm, like the amount you paid for your copy of Asterisk and the Linux <br>
server it runs on?<br> <br> -- Raj<br> -- <br> Raj
Mathur || <a href="mailto:raju@kandalaya.org"
target="_blank">raju@kandalaya.org</a> || GPG:<br>
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target="_blank">http://otheronepercent.blogspot.com</a> ||
<a href="http://kandalaya.org"
target="_blank">http://kandalaya.org</a> || CC68<br> It
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target="_blank">http://schizoid.in</a> || D17F<br>
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Not the best analogy, since it implies that Christian's services are legacy and retrograde, while those in India/Arabia/Nigeria/China are progressive, state-of-the-art. In general, the opposite tends to be the case. There are printing presses in the US, but Chinese can be paid so little to transcribe books by hand that it is actually more economical to pay a large army of them to do just that, instead of investing in one typesetting machine. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Atlanta, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com "Raj Mathur (??? ?????)" <raju at linux-delhi.org> wrote:>On Wednesday 28 Mar 2012, C. Savinovich wrote: >> >>>>Umm, like the amount you paid for your copy of Asterisk and the >> >>>>Linux server it runs on? >> >> First, you are missing the point. >> >> Second, you guys take away jobs from American developers. If there >> was a president in the USA who would make it illegal for companies >> to hire overseas developers, we would have hundreds of thousands of >> people employed here, and don't say that products will be more >> expensive, they wouldn't. Microsoft and Google have way too much >> money in the bank, which they could share if they didn't hire >> overseas programmers > >A medieval monk trained in copying books by hand sits in his cell >cursing Gutenberg for inventing the printing press and depriving him of >his livelihood. > >Not satisfied with that, he also curses the (Arabs|Nigerians|Indians| >Chinese|your choice of whipping boy) for typesetting cheaper than he can >and taking business away from him. > >Would be funny if it weren't so sad. My sympathies. > >-- Raj >-- >Raj Mathur || raju at kandalaya.org || GPG: >http://otheronepercent.blogspot.com || http://kandalaya.org || CC68 >It is the mind that moves || http://schizoid.in || D17F > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >-- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- >New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: > http://www.asterisk.org/hello > >asterisk-users mailing list >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div><br></div><div>>>><span>A medieval monk trained in copying books by hand sits in his cell <br> cursing Gutenberg for inventing the printing press and depriving him of <br> his livelihood.<span id="GD__CURSOR"> </span></span></div><div><br></div><div>Again, totally ficticious and absent from reality example. In real life, the catholic church went ahead and became an extremely rich entity... to this day.</div><div><br></div><div>>>><span>he also curses the (Arabs|Nigerians|Indians|Chinese|your choice of whipping boy)<span id="GD__CURSOR"> </span></span></div><div><br></div><div>"Whipping boy" is an offensive remark that I have never even come close to. There are many people in this world who are full of hate and discrimination. Fortunately none of them are in this thread. Stop using the guilt trip and playing the role of being a victim.</div><div><br></div><div>>>><span>Would be funny if it weren't so sad. My sympathies.<br><span id="GD__CURSOR"> </span></span></div><div>I agree, thanks</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Christian Savinovich</div><div><strong><em>VoIP & Telephony Consultant</em></strong></div><div>646-982-3572</div><div> </div><div><br><br></div> <blockquote id="replyBlockquote" webmail="1" style="border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-size:10pt; color:black; font-family:verdana;"> <div id="wmQuoteWrapper"> -------- Original Message --------<br> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"<br> From: "Raj Mathur (राज माथुर)" <<a href="mailto:raju@linux-delhi.org">raju@linux-delhi.org</a>><br> Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 2:58 pm<br> To: <a href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a><br> <br> On Wednesday 28 Mar 2012, C. Savinovich wrote:<br>> >>>>Umm, like the amount you paid for your copy of Asterisk and the<br> > >>>>Linux server it runs on? <br> > <br> > First, you are missing the point.<br> > <br> > Second, you guys take away jobs from American developers. If there<br> > was a president in the USA who would make it illegal for companies<br> > to hire overseas developers, we would have hundreds of thousands of<br> > people employed here, and don't say that products will be more<br> > expensive, they wouldn't. Microsoft and Google have way too much<br> > money in the bank, which they could share if they didn't hire<br> > overseas programmers<br><br> A medieval monk trained in copying books by hand sits in his cell <br> cursing Gutenberg for inventing the printing press and depriving him of <br> his livelihood.<br> <br> Not satisfied with that, he also curses the (Arabs|Nigerians|Indians|<br> Chinese|your choice of whipping boy) for typesetting cheaper than he can <br> and taking business away from him.<br> <br> Would be funny if it weren't so sad. My sympathies.<br> <br> -- Raj<br> -- <br> Raj Mathur || <a href="mailto:raju@kandalaya.org">raju@kandalaya.org</a> || GPG:<br> <a href="http://otheronepercent.blogspot.com">http://otheronepercent.blogspot.com</a> || <a href="http://kandalaya.org">http://kandalaya.org</a> || CC68<br> It is the mind that moves || <a href="http://schizoid.in">http://schizoid.in</a> || D17F<br> <br> --<br> _____________________________________________________________________<br> -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com">http://www.api-digital.com</a> --<br> New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs:<br> <a href="http://www.asterisk.org/hello">http://www.asterisk.org/hello</a><br> <br> asterisk-users mailing list<br> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<br> <a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users</a><br> </div> </blockquote></span></body></html>