asterisk users - Jul 2007 - Corporate Feedback to OSS (was: Re: Mushtaq Ahmed is out of the office.)

On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 08:39 -0500,
asterisk-users-request at lists.digium.com wrote:
> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:02:53 -0600
> From: Stephen Bosch <posting at vodacomm.ca>
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Mushtaq Ahmed is out of the office.
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>         <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
> Message-ID: <468E83CD.1070703 at vodacomm.ca>
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> 
> Wayne wrote:
> > I was wondering where 3Com were getting all the new ideas from for
> their 
> > phone system ;-p
> > 
> > Cats out of the bag now I guess :)
> 
> The price of open source is that the commercial outfits are free to
> rip
> off ideas without paying for them.
> 
> But hey -- competition is good, right?
	Competition is good, one benefit of OSS pressure on
commercial/proprietary competitors to improve their products which lead
investment.

	Cooperation is also good. Public knowledge that corporations are in the
community helps us know where to look for GPL software they secretly
use, or just how they get some valuable ideas from which they profit
(profit from us, usually). So it's easier to convince them to explicitly
feed back into the OSS. Either just user feedback, or actual investment
in testing, further development, or even GPL'ing their own proprietary
tech into the community.

	So now it's time that 3Com hears from us, and we hear back, that we're
all "coopeting" together. If they don't explicitly contribute
soon, that
bad community attitude will be a clue for some examination of their
products for included GPL code and GPL violations, or just some bad
press for being merely "takers" with their $billion budgets.

> -Stephen-

On the other hand, the guy could just be using his work e-mail for personal
interests.

On 7/7/07, Matthew Rubenstein <email at mattruby.com>
wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 08:39 -0500,
> asterisk-users-request at lists.digium.com wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:02:53 -0600
> > From: Stephen Bosch <posting at vodacomm.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Mushtaq Ahmed is out of the office.
> > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> >         <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
> > Message-ID: <468E83CD.1070703 at vodacomm.ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Wayne wrote:
> > > I was wondering where 3Com were getting all the new ideas from
for
> > their
> > > phone system ;-p
> > >
> > > Cats out of the bag now I guess :)
> >
> > The price of open source is that the commercial outfits are free to
> > rip
> > off ideas without paying for them.
> >
> > But hey -- competition is good, right?
>
>         Competition is good, one benefit of OSS pressure on
> commercial/proprietary competitors to improve their products which lead
> investment.
>
>         Cooperation is also good. Public knowledge that corporations are
> in the
> community helps us know where to look for GPL software they secretly
> use, or just how they get some valuable ideas from which they profit
> (profit from us, usually). So it's easier to convince them to
explicitly
> feed back into the OSS. Either just user feedback, or actual investment
> in testing, further development, or even GPL'ing their own proprietary
> tech into the community.
>
>         So now it's time that 3Com hears from us, and we hear back,
that
> we're
> all "coopeting" together. If they don't explicitly contribute
soon, that
> bad community attitude will be a clue for some examination of their
> products for included GPL code and GPL violations, or just some bad
> press for being merely "takers" with their $billion budgets.
>
>
> > -Stephen-
>
>
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We have found that working WITH other Asterisk vendors is much more
pleasant than working against them - especially when you all run into
each other at a trade show.....<smile>

PaulH


On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 11:04 -0400, Matthew Rubenstein
wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 08:39 -0500,
> asterisk-users-request at lists.digium.com wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:02:53 -0600
> > From: Stephen Bosch <posting at vodacomm.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Mushtaq Ahmed is out of the office.
> > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> >         <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
> > Message-ID: <468E83CD.1070703 at vodacomm.ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > 
> > Wayne wrote:
> > > I was wondering where 3Com were getting all the new ideas from
for
> > their 
> > > phone system ;-p
> > > 
> > > Cats out of the bag now I guess :)
> > 
> > The price of open source is that the commercial outfits are free to
> > rip
> > off ideas without paying for them.
> > 
> > But hey -- competition is good, right?
> 
> 	Competition is good, one benefit of OSS pressure on
> commercial/proprietary competitors to improve their products which lead
> investment.
> 
> 	Cooperation is also good. Public knowledge that corporations are in the
> community helps us know where to look for GPL software they secretly
> use, or just how they get some valuable ideas from which they profit
> (profit from us, usually). So it's easier to convince them to
explicitly
> feed back into the OSS. Either just user feedback, or actual investment
> in testing, further development, or even GPL'ing their own proprietary
> tech into the community.
> 
> 	So now it's time that 3Com hears from us, and we hear back, that
we're
> all "coopeting" together. If they don't explicitly contribute
soon, that
> bad community attitude will be a clue for some examination of their
> products for included GPL code and GPL violations, or just some bad
> press for being merely "takers" with their $billion budgets.
> 
> 
> > -Stephen-
> 
> 
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