asterisk users - Apr 2007 - RE: OT (a little): IPV6 Ramifications Article

Hi guys,

I know it's a little off topic but......Wondering if you can help.

 

My wife has been asked to find a writer to produce a story on "The
dramatic ramifications of IPV6 on commercial businesses and how it will
change the product designs for ordinary household/commercial use in a
5-10 year time frame"

 

So her company hired someone who should have been able to deliver the
goods (ex magazine editor - maybe a little too 'ex'....)

 

He has come back with the story angle that is boring (and just plain
wrong) that says; 

 

-          IPV6 is a big cost to companies like the Y2k bug was.

-          That it will stop spam (hmmm Cringley you have a lot to
answer for)

-          That Asia is leading the way but we can ignore it as the USA
have many many IPV4 addresses to use for the future.

 

 

So now my wife has egg on her face and her boss thinks that IPV6 is of
no interest to anyone in their customers companies, apart from the CIO
who needs to implement it, when I'm telling her that there are dramatic
applications; eg.

 

-          That Ford needs to consider how your car having an IP
addresses changes the way they should be building cars (oh and the
streetlights have one as well).

-          That Sharp needs to consider what your TV having an IP
address means (and your set top box and your front door bell as well)

-          That Verizon needs to consider what every mobile phone having
an IP address means (and your desk phone and your office phone)

-          That Chase needs to consider what IPV6 means to your wallet,
the ATM and the POS cash registers.

 

Can anyone help with some url's for some really good articles on 'super
networking' and related applications that dramatically change the
products that companies should be manufacturing today? (also the less
technical the better)

 

Or if you are a writer who has published something on this exact topic
that has been run at a national print level......want a gig?

 

Regards,

Dean Collins

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Hi

To be slightly less off-topic:

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:11:37PM -0400, Dean Collins
wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I know it's a little off topic but......Wondering if you can help.
> 
>  
> 
> My wife has been asked to find a writer to produce a story on "The
> dramatic ramifications of IPV6 on commercial businesses and how it will
> change the product designs for ordinary household/commercial use in a
> 5-10 year time frame"
> 
>  
> 
> So her company hired someone who should have been able to deliver the
> goods (ex magazine editor - maybe a little too 'ex'....)
> 
>  
> 
> He has come back with the story angle that is boring (and just plain
> wrong) that says; 
> 
>  
> 
> -          IPV6 is a big cost to companies like the Y2k bug was.
> 
> -          That it will stop spam (hmmm Cringley you have a lot to
> answer for)
Why is that?
> 
> -          That Asia is leading the way but we can ignore it as the USA
> have many many IPV4 addresses to use for the future.
> 
If you have no shortage of IP addresses in the US, then why is it that
when you want to set up a home IP address you have a use a NAT router
(of some sort: be that a device or a software on a computer)? This means 
that peer-to-peer protocols don't Just Work [tm]. 

We all know that SIP is generally broken in the presense of NAT and how 
multimple partial workarounds have been found. 

Any VoIP call between two ANT-ed clients will required a proxy outside
the NAT. Hence more delay and more complicated setup.


And less on-topic:

See if you can find anything interesting under http://laptop.org/ /
http://wiki.laptop.org/ . They use ipv6 as part as their effort to
create a set of computers that are always connected. The mesh networking
infrastructure there is interesting.

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Hi, Dean:

Dean Collins wrote:
> Or if you are a writer who has published something on this exact topic
> that has been run at a national print level??want a gig?
Not on this exact topic -- but I'm a professional writer AND a network
consultant who has even had some exposure to IPv6.

What's the deadline? What's the article size? Who is the target
audience? Where is it going to be printed?

Cheers,

Stephen Bosch
Vodacomm Voice & Data Corporation

On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 17:11 -0400, Dean Collins wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I know it?s a little off topic but??Wondering if you can help.
> My wife has been asked to find a writer to produce a story on ?The
> dramatic ramifications of IPV6 on commercial businesses and how it
> will change the product designs for ordinary household/commercial use
> in a 5-10 year time frame?
Ordinary household equipment
Fridge (sending snmp traps if a dork leaves the door open ;)
radio/tv/vcr (obviously)
central heating system
airco
security
 
> 
> So her company hired someone who should have been able to deliver the
> goods (ex magazine editor ? maybe a little too ?ex??.)
> 
>  
> 
> He has come back with the story angle that is boring (and just plain
> wrong) that says; 
> 
>  
> 
> IPV6 is a big cost to companies like the Y2k bug was.
afaik, all modern equipment supports v6
> 
> That it will stop spam (hmmm Cringley you have a lot to answer for)
(some people probably wont't get it working, so they will be off the
Net ;)
> 
> -         That Asia is leading the way but we can ignore it as the USA
> have many many IPV4 addresses to use for the future.
(sleep well)
>  
> 
>  
> 
> So now my wife has egg on her face and her boss thinks that IPV6 is of
> no interest to anyone in their customers companies, apart from the CIO
> who needs to implement it, when I?m telling her that there are
> dramatic applications; eg.
> 
>  
> 
> -         That Ford needs to consider how your car having an IP
> addresses changes the way they should be building cars (oh and the
> streetlights have one as well).
> 
> -         That Sharp needs to consider what your TV having an IP
> address means (and your set top box and your front door bell as well)
> 
> -         That Verizon needs to consider what every mobile phone
> having an IP address means (and your desk phone and your office phone)
> 
> -         That Chase needs to consider what IPV6 means to your wallet,
> the ATM and the POS cash registers.
> 
 
I don't think that for john doe much will change (v4 => v6)
All unices support v6, and even vista has it (unlike previous products,
IPv6 is ON by default and can not be turned off ;)

In the good old days, everybody got a fixed ip by default, and some
euro's extra you got four or eight addrresses. Now you are lucky to get
one fixed address. Natting is very nice, but you're out-of-luck when
dealing with multiple ssl-sites (forward/backward name-resolving breaks
it)
All those troubles are over with v6

Best part however, is the build-in support for vpn, native encryption.
And QoS, which seems to be very nice for seperation voip-traffic from
torrent-traffic.

The only obstacles currently, are the ISP's.
afaik, all dsl-modems currently can only work with v4. 
(correct me if i'm wrong)

Only option currently is: tunnelbroker.net 

Perhaps if we actually get directly fibre or ethernet to our home, 
ipv6 will get mainstream.

hw
(Well, if * would support it, without any extra patches, would help)

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