asterisk users - Feb 2007 - Open CallerID Database?

Hey Guys,
I'm curious if there's an interest in a free, CallerID database? For
those
of you in the same spot we are, our current provider only provides us with
the CND, excluding CNAM. 

Would creating a public database, managed by users be worthwhile to anyone?

Thanks - Any input is greatly appreciated.

 

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Hey Shane,
The basis of my idea was that it would be user-moderated/generated. A
'owner/operator' of a number, would submit & verify their phone
number,
enter their caller id, and basically be done with it. The logistics of it I
don't really think would be that complicated. If a listing needs to be
updated they basically go through the same process.

Right now, we're using a commonly available script (I can't remember the
link off hand) that uses Google, 411.com, etc, to do a lookup and although
it works pretty good, it is horribly inaccurate the majority of the time.

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http://www.XStreamHost.com - Web Hosting
http://www.SophMedia.com - Consulting & Web Development
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Young [mailto:asterisk2@shaneyoung.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:46 PM
To: Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

Robert

On the surface, I don't see how you could a db with a very good hit  
rate without paying for the data.

There are thousands and thousdands of database updates every day.

Perhaps I am missing your intent here.




Quoting Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC <robert@sophmedia.com>:
> Hey Guys,
> I'm curious if there's an interest in a free, CallerID database?
For those
> of you in the same spot we are, our current provider only provides us with
> the CND, excluding CNAM.
>
> Would creating a public database, managed by users be worthwhile to
anyone?
>
> Thanks - Any input is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> --
> Robert Norton
> SophMedia LLC Operations Manager
> Cell: 480-234-4312 Office: 480-626-5449 (x300)
> P.O. Box 7755 Tempe, AZ 85281
> http://www.XStreamHost.com - Web Hosting
> http://www.SophMedia.com - Consulting & Web Development
>
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--Shane

I think terms of service for most CNAM providers prohibits sharing the
data and limits the amount of time it can be cached for your own reuse.

A public database managed by users would be of little value unless there
are means to verify the data. If people trusted it, outbound
telemarketers might try to put "friendly" CNAM values in.

Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> I?m curious if there?s an interest in a free, CallerID database? For
> those of you in the same spot we are, our current provider only
> provides us with the CND, excluding CNAM.
>
> Would creating a public database, managed by users be worthwhile to
> anyone?
>
> Thanks ? Any input is greatly appreciated.
>
> --
> Robert Norton
> SophMedia LLC Operations Manager
> Cell: 480-234-4312 Office: 480-626-5449 (x300)
> P.O. Box 7755 Tempe, AZ 85281
> http://www.XStreamHost.com - Web Hosting
> http://www.SophMedia.com - Consulting & Web Development
>
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On 2/19/07, Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC <robert@sophmedia.com> wrote:
>  Hey Guys,
> I'm curious if there's an interest in a free, CallerID database?
For those
> of you in the same spot we are, our current provider only provides us with
> the CND, excluding CNAM.
>
YES!


  Would creating a public database, managed by users be worthwhile
to
> anyone?
>
I'm not sure the technical issues will be as easy to work out as one would
hope. When creating such a system, care must be taken to keep the
information accurate and up-to-date. And where would you get the information
from in the first place?


  Thanks ? Any input is greatly appreciated.
>
What I would like to see is a distributed system that allows for updates to
be rsync'd in, so that those of us who keep our servers off the Internet can
move it through a QA process and then push the update through. Some type of
a mirror system, where the packages can be updated from time to time (like
daily).

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Am Montag, den 19.02.2007, 12:39 -0700 schrieb Robert Norton - SophMedia
LLC:
> Hey Guys,
> I?m curious if there?s an interest in a free, CallerID database? For
> those of you in the same spot we are, our current provider only
> provides us with the CND, excluding CNAM. 
> 
> Would creating a public database, managed by users be worthwhile to
> anyone?
Sounds like a great thing to have, but I doubt this is possible without
violating existing laws. At least in Europe there are some quite
restricting rules concerning the storage and transmission of
people-related data. Without explicit permission you might not be
allowed to transmit people's "unlisted" phone numbers, for
example.

Take care,

An(not a lawyer)selm

First my two cents. I dont think creating a system to store the info
is a good idea mostly because of the reasons mentioned in this thread.
An easy way to do free CNAM lookup, keep one pots line around with
caller id service on it for each non cached number that comes in make
a phone call to the pots line with caller id set to the number of the
unknown name, the caller id service on the pots line should reveal the
name after the first ring. cache that and reuse it as needed.

On 2/19/07, Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC <robert@sophmedia.com>
wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> I'm curious if there's an interest in a free, CallerID database?
For those
> of you in the same spot we are, our current provider only provides us with
> the CND, excluding CNAM.
>
> Would creating a public database, managed by users be worthwhile to anyone?
>
> Thanks - Any input is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> --
> Robert Norton
> SophMedia LLC Operations Manager
> Cell: 480-234-4312 Office: 480-626-5449 (x300)
> P.O. Box 7755 Tempe, AZ 85281
> http://www.XStreamHost.com - Web Hosting
> http://www.SophMedia.com - Consulting & Web Development
>
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Hey Guys,
I'm glad to see this ignited some discussion.

I definitely understand there's some legal implications involved, both on a
privacy level, and fraud prevention. Obviously an end-user (ie: the person
controlling a listing) has to consent to some sort of release resolving the
privacy concerns. I'm somewhat aware of the legal implications involved with
storing such personally identifiable information (or whatever the legal term
is) and have a concern in making sure such issues are resolved.

In reality, how is it efficient for every provider to be running their own
database? In my mind, this leaves the horribly evident inaccuracies, and
even efficiency issues. Thank God these accuracies aren't integral to the
operations of telephony systems.



I do understand there is a price to pay for such infrastructure, and I
believe that it's obvious the telephony world is riddled with racketeering,
price gouging ventures, including companies that charge nearly a $0.01 for a
lookup. I realize the following analogy is poor, but in mind this is as
close as a internet search engine charging for a basic search query. Infact
a basic internet query is much more complex, much more costly (ie: the
infrastructure of said systems), and yet self-subsidizing.


And to the poster who suggested that I was implying scrapping the results
from 411.com, this is definitely not even a remote idea in my mind at all.
The basis for my idea was a open, moderated, database that was user
controlled and self-subsidized. 



I know this is way off topic, but I really feel that the telecom industry as
a whole, and I'm sure I'm not the only one with this belief, is horribly
bloated, running on business models that are clearly 30 years outdated. It
is 2007, and with the help of the internet, the exchange of information,
these telcos now have real, global competition, and real issues to deal
with.

Anyways guys, I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

 

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Robert Norton
SophMedia LLC Operations Manager
Cell: 480-234-4312 Office: 480-626-5449 (x300)
P.O. Box 7755 Tempe, AZ 85281
http://www.XStreamHost.com - Web Hosting
http://www.SophMedia.com - Consulting & Web Development

 

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