asterisk users - Jul 2005 - SIP Xten eyeBeam Video Problems

Hello all, I HAD video working before I upgraded to 1.08 (latest
stable with Gentoo) and now it won't work. I just see noise bars and
not the video. I know the camera works as I can use it in other
programs such as AIM & Yahoo.

I have the following setup:

sip.conf
[general]

videosupport = yes
port = 5060           ; Port to bind to (SIP is 5060)
bindaddr = 0.0.0.0    ; Address to bind to (all addresses on machine)
disallow=all
allow=ulaw
allow=alaw
allow=gsm
allow=h261
allow=h263
allow=h263p


sip_additional.conf
[200]
username=200
type=friend
secret=abc123
record_out=On-Demand
record_in=On-Demand
qualify=no
port=5060
nat=never
mailbox=200@default
host=dynamic
dtmfmode=rfc2833
context=from-internal
canreinvite=no
callerid="Blake Krone" <200>
disallow=all
allow=ulaw
allow=alaw
allow=gsm
allow=h261
allow=h263
allow=h263p



In the full log I see the following when I start video:
Ooh, format changed from unknown to h263

Hi. I am trying to connect to a SIP provider as a client but
cannot get asterisk to work the same way as the UA.

My Configs:
-------------------------
sip.conf
----------------
[70501956]
type=friend
host=taraba.net
username=70501956
password=<password>
insecure=very
fromuser=70501956
fromdomain=taraba.net
realm=taraba.net

extention.conf
----------------------
[macro-japan]
;exten => s,1,SetCallerID(<${ARG1}@taraba.net>)
exten => s,1,Dial(SIP/${ARG1}@70501956,${ARG2})
exten => s,2,Hangup

[taraba]
exten => _0.,1,Macro(japan,${EXTEN},70)
-----------------------------


If I use the sip server "taraba.net" and outbound proxy
"taraba.net"
in X-lite, then I can call out via Taraba with no problems. However,
when redirecting via Asterisk I get :

Debug info
------------------------------------------
<-- SIP read from 210.143.128.118:61868:
INVITE sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.0.61:5060;rport;branch=z9hG4bK81B07E8EF77546F89270DC87BF166AC5
From: Jason <sip:2201@taraba.net>;tag=2199105817
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>
Contact: <sip:2201@192.168.0.61:5060>
Call-ID: 424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
CSeq: 16993 INVITE
Max-Forwards: 70
Content-Type: application/sdp
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Content-Length: 298

v=0
o=2201 177486796 177486875 IN IP4 192.168.0.61
s=M2 X-Lite
c=IN IP4 192.168.0.61
t=0 0
m=audio 8000 RTP/AVP 0 8 3 98 97 101
a=rtpmap:0 pcmu/8000
a=rtpmap:8 pcma/8000
a=rtpmap:3 gsm/8000
a=rtpmap:98 iLBC/8000
a=rtpmap:97 speex/8000
a=rtpmap:101 telephone-event/8000
a=fmtp:101 0-15

--- (11 headers 13 lines)---
Using INVITE request as basis request - 
424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
Sending to 192.168.0.61 : 5060 (non-NAT)
Reliably Transmitting (NAT) to 210.143.128.118:61868:
SIP/2.0 407 Proxy Authentication Required
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.0.61:5060;branch=z9hG4bK81B07E8EF77546F89270DC87BF166AC5;received=210.143.1
28.118;rport=61868
From: Jason <sip:2201@taraba.net>;tag=2199105817
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=as6fc6c330
Call-ID: 424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
CSeq: 16993 INVITE
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Allow: INVITE, ACK, CANCEL, OPTIONS, BYE, REFER, NOTIFY
Contact: <sip:09099648988@203.83.240.5>
Proxy-Authenticate: Digest realm="asterisk",
nonce="4c7c0d77"
Content-Length: 0


---
Scheduling destruction of call 
'424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61' in 15000 ms
Found user '2201'
localhost*CLI>
<-- SIP read from 210.143.128.118:61868:
ACK sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.0.61:5060;rport;branch=z9hG4bK81B07E8EF77546F89270DC87BF166AC5
From: Jason <sip:2201@taraba.net>;tag=2199105817
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=as6fc6c330
Contact: <sip:2201@192.168.0.61:5060>
Call-ID: 424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
CSeq: 16993 ACK
Max-Forwards: 70
Content-Length: 0


--- (9 headers 0 lines)---
localhost*CLI>
<-- SIP read from 210.143.128.118:61868:
INVITE sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.0.61:5060;rport;branch=z9hG4bK5E59581255864160B4A6D7F2020BE1C3
From: Jason <sip:2201@taraba.net>;tag=2199105817
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>
Contact: <sip:2201@192.168.0.61:5060>
Call-ID: 424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
CSeq: 16994 INVITE
Proxy-Authorization: Digest 
username="2201",realm="asterisk",nonce="4c7c0d77",response="1d81a829e9f4
1e0f836e1280e8bd050a",uri="sip:09099648988@taraba.net"
Max-Forwards: 70
Content-Type: application/sdp
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Content-Length: 298

v=0
o=2201 177486796 177486875 IN IP4 192.168.0.61
s=M2 X-Lite
c=IN IP4 192.168.0.61
t=0 0
m=audio 8000 RTP/AVP 0 8 3 98 97 101
a=rtpmap:0 pcmu/8000
a=rtpmap:8 pcma/8000
a=rtpmap:3 gsm/8000
a=rtpmap:98 iLBC/8000
a=rtpmap:97 speex/8000
a=rtpmap:101 telephone-event/8000
a=fmtp:101 0-15

--- (12 headers 13 lines)---
Using INVITE request as basis request - 
424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
Sending to 192.168.0.61 : 5060 (NAT)
Found user '2201'
Found RTP audio format 0
Found RTP audio format 8
Found RTP audio format 3
Found RTP audio format 98
Found RTP audio format 97
Found RTP audio format 101
Peer audio RTP is at port 192.168.0.61:8000
Found description format pcmu
Found description format pcma
Found description format gsm
Found description format iLBC
Found description format speex
Found description format telephone-event
Capabilities: us - 0x8000e (gsm|ulaw|alaw|h263), peer - audio=0x60e 
(gsm|ulaw|alaw|speex|ilbc)/video
=0x0 (nothing), combined - 0xe (gsm|ulaw|alaw)
Non-codec capabilities: us - 0x1 (telephone-event), peer - 0x1 
(telephone-event), combined - 0x1 (te
lephone-event)
Looking for 09099648988 in sip
list_route: hop: <sip:2201@192.168.0.61:5060>
Transmitting (NAT) to 210.143.128.118:61868:
SIP/2.0 100 Trying
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.0.61:5060;branch=z9hG4bK5E59581255864160B4A6D7F2020BE1C3;received=210.143.1
28.118;rport=61868
From: Jason <sip:2201@taraba.net>;tag=2199105817
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>
Call-ID: 424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
CSeq: 16994 INVITE
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Allow: INVITE, ACK, CANCEL, OPTIONS, BYE, REFER, NOTIFY
Contact: <sip:09099648988@203.83.240.5>
Content-Length: 0


---
    -- Executing Macro("SIP/2201-0287",
"japan|09099648988|70") in new stack
    -- Executing Dial("SIP/2201-0287",
"SIP/09099648988@70501956|70") in
new stack
We're at 203.83.240.5 port 17190
Answering/Requesting with root capability 0x4 (ulaw)
Answering with capability 0x2 (gsm)
Answering with capability 0x8 (alaw)
Answering with non-codec capability 0x1 (telephone-event)
12 headers, 12 lines
Reliably Transmitting (no NAT) to 61.193.205.37:5060:
INVITE sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK0aaa61c3
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>
Contact: <sip:70501956@203.83.240.5>
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 102 INVITE
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:17:38 GMT
Allow: INVITE, ACK, CANCEL, OPTIONS, BYE, REFER, NOTIFY
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 263

v=0
o=root 11887 11887 IN IP4 203.83.240.5
s=session
c=IN IP4 203.83.240.5
t=0 0
m=audio 17190 RTP/AVP 0 3 8 101
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:8 PCMA/8000
a=rtpmap:101 telephone-event/8000
a=fmtp:101 0-16
a=silenceSupp:off - - - -

---
    -- Called 09099648988@70501956
localhost*CLI>
<-- SIP read from 61.193.205.37:5060:
SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK0aaa61c3
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=89280b37b860936dbb8a29112e496281.ebd4
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 102 INVITE
WWW-Authenticate: Digest realm="taraba.net", 
nonce="42cca01dd246dbe2396b8fa7d7044f76a9bac7b0"
Content-Length: 0


--- (8 headers 0 lines)---
Transmitting (no NAT) to 61.193.205.37:5060:
ACK sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK0aaa61c3
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=89280b37b860936dbb8a29112e496281.ebd4
Contact: <sip:70501956@203.83.240.5>
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 102 ACK
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Content-Length: 0


---
We're at 203.83.240.5 port 17190
Answering/Requesting with root capability 0x4 (ulaw)
Answering with capability 0x2 (gsm)
Answering with capability 0x8 (alaw)
Answering with non-codec capability 0x1 (telephone-event)
Reliably Transmitting (no NAT) to 61.193.205.37:5060:
INVITE sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK5ec36a77
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>
Contact: <sip:70501956@203.83.240.5>
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 103 INVITE
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Authorization: Digest username="70501956",
realm="taraba.net",
algorithm=MD5, uri="sip:09099648988@t
araba.net", nonce="42cca01dd246dbe2396b8fa7d7044f76a9bac7b0", 
response="fb2ec96c0c9caaea45c156f497af
a8a9", opaque=""
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:17:38 GMT
Allow: INVITE, ACK, CANCEL, OPTIONS, BYE, REFER, NOTIFY
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 263

v=0
o=root 11887 11888 IN IP4 203.83.240.5
s=session
c=IN IP4 203.83.240.5
t=0 0
m=audio 17190 RTP/AVP 0 3 8 101
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:8 PCMA/8000
a=rtpmap:101 telephone-event/8000
a=fmtp:101 0-16
a=silenceSupp:off - - - -

---
localhost*CLI>
<-- SIP read from 61.193.205.37:5060:
SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK5ec36a77
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=89280b37b860936dbb8a29112e496281.54fa
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 103 INVITE
WWW-Authenticate: Digest realm="taraba.net", 
nonce="42cca01dd246dbe2396b8fa7d7044f76a9bac7b0"
Content-Length: 0


--- (8 headers 0 lines)---
Transmitting (no NAT) to 61.193.205.37:5060:
ACK sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK5ec36a77
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=89280b37b860936dbb8a29112e496281.54fa
Contact: <sip:70501956@203.83.240.5>
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 103 ACK
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Content-Length: 0


---
We're at 203.83.240.5 port 17190
Answering/Requesting with root capability 0x4 (ulaw)
Answering with capability 0x2 (gsm)
Answering with capability 0x8 (alaw)
Answering with non-codec capability 0x1 (telephone-event)
Reliably Transmitting (no NAT) to 61.193.205.37:5060:
INVITE sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK55a426cb
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>
Contact: <sip:70501956@203.83.240.5>
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 104 INVITE
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Authorization: Digest username="70501956",
realm="taraba.net",
algorithm=MD5, uri="sip:09099648988@t
araba.net", nonce="42cca01dd246dbe2396b8fa7d7044f76a9bac7b0", 
response="fb2ec96c0c9caaea45c156f497af
a8a9", opaque=""
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:17:38 GMT
Allow: INVITE, ACK, CANCEL, OPTIONS, BYE, REFER, NOTIFY
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 263

v=0
o=root 11887 11889 IN IP4 203.83.240.5
s=session
c=IN IP4 203.83.240.5
t=0 0
m=audio 17190 RTP/AVP 0 3 8 101
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:8 PCMA/8000
a=rtpmap:101 telephone-event/8000
a=fmtp:101 0-16
a=silenceSupp:off - - - -

---
localhost*CLI>
<-- SIP read from 61.193.205.37:5060:
SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK55a426cb
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=89280b37b860936dbb8a29112e496281.5b92
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 104 INVITE
WWW-Authenticate: Digest realm="taraba.net", 
nonce="42cca01dd246dbe2396b8fa7d7044f76a9bac7b0"
Content-Length: 0


--- (8 headers 0 lines)---
Transmitting (no NAT) to 61.193.205.37:5060:
ACK sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK55a426cb
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=89280b37b860936dbb8a29112e496281.5b92
Contact: <sip:70501956@203.83.240.5>
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 104 ACK
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Content-Length: 0


---
Jul  7 12:17:38 NOTICE[11887]: chan_sip.c:8518 handle_response: Failed 
to authenticate on INVITE to
'"Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611'
localhost*CLI>
<-- SIP read from 210.143.128.118:61868:
CANCEL sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.0.61:5060;rport;branch=z9hG4bK5E59581255864160B4A6D7F2020BE1C3
From: Jason <sip:2201@taraba.net>;tag=2199105817
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>
Contact: <sip:2201@192.168.0.61:5060>
Call-ID: 424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
CSeq: 16994 CANCEL
Proxy-Authorization: Digest 
username="2201",realm="asterisk",nonce="4c7c0d77",response="5caf1f6f1d5e
c8ad6041376c516d8aa1",uri="sip:09099648988@taraba.net"
Max-Forwards: 70
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Content-Length: 0


--- (11 headers 0 lines)---
Sending to 192.168.0.61 : 5060 (NAT)
Reliably Transmitting (NAT) to 210.143.128.118:61868:
SIP/2.0 487 Request Terminated
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.0.61:5060;branch=z9hG4bK5E59581255864160B4A6D7F2020BE1C3;received=210.143.1
28.118;rport=61868
From: Jason <sip:2201@taraba.net>;tag=2199105817
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=as7d84ecc5
Call-ID: 424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
CSeq: 16994 INVITE
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Allow: INVITE, ACK, CANCEL, OPTIONS, BYE, REFER, NOTIFY
Contact: <sip:09099648988@203.83.240.5>
Content-Length: 0


---
Transmitting (NAT) to 210.143.128.118:61868:
SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.0.61:5060;branch=z9hG4bK5E59581255864160B4A6D7F2020BE1C3;received=210.143.1
28.118;rport=61868
From: Jason <sip:2201@taraba.net>;tag=2199105817
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=as7d84ecc5
Call-ID: 424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
CSeq: 16994 CANCEL
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Allow: INVITE, ACK, CANCEL, OPTIONS, BYE, REFER, NOTIFY
Contact: <sip:09099648988@203.83.240.5>
Content-Length: 0


---
Reliably Transmitting (no NAT) to 61.193.205.37:5060:
CANCEL sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK55a426cb
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>
Contact: <sip:70501956@203.83.240.5>
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 104 CANCEL
User-Agent: M2 X-Lite release 1103n
Proxy-Authorization: Digest username="70501956",
realm="taraba.net",
algorithm=MD5, uri="sip:0909964
8988@taraba.net",
nonce="42cca01dd246dbe2396b8fa7d7044f76a9bac7b0",
response="f6a5b5ab31138636d9d646
3b71dc5486", opaque=""
Content-Length: 0


---
Scheduling destruction of call 
'64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net' in 15000 ms
  == Spawn extension (macro-japan, s, 1) exited non-zero on 
'SIP/2201-0287' in macro 'japan'
  == Spawn extension (sip, 09099648988, 1) exited non-zero on 
'SIP/2201-0287'
localhost*CLI>
<-- SIP read from 210.143.128.118:61868:
ACK sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.0.61:5060;rport;branch=z9hG4bK5E59581255864160B4A6D7F2020BE1C3
From: Jason <sip:2201@taraba.net>;tag=2199105817
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=as7d84ecc5
Contact: <sip:2201@192.168.0.61:5060>
Call-ID: 424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
CSeq: 16994 ACK
Max-Forwards: 70
Content-Length: 0


--- (9 headers 0 lines)---
Destroying call '424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61'
localhost*CLI>
<-- SIP read from 210.143.128.118:61868:
ACK sip:09099648988@taraba.net SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.0.61:5060;rport;branch=z9hG4bK5E59581255864160B4A6D7F2020BE1C3
From: Jason <sip:2201@taraba.net>;tag=2199105817
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=as7d84ecc5
Contact: <sip:2201@192.168.0.61:5060>
Call-ID: 424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61
CSeq: 16994 ACK
Max-Forwards: 70
Content-Length: 0


--- (9 headers 0 lines)---
Destroying call '424C16D8-2EB9-4473-A99B-D9FB0177073E@192.168.0.61'
localhost*CLI>
<-- SIP read from 61.193.205.37:5060:
SIP/2.0 483 Too many hops
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 203.83.240.5:5060;branch=z9hG4bK55a426cb
From: "Jason" <sip:70501956@taraba.net>;tag=as59f1f611
To: <sip:09099648988@taraba.net>;tag=89280b37b860936dbb8a29112e496281.f4ac
Call-ID: 64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net
CSeq: 104 CANCEL
Content-Length: 0


--- (7 headers 0 lines)---
    -- Got SIP response 483 "Too many hops" back from 61.193.205.37
Destroying call '64208adc5f21640c24f387f25373ec53@taraba.net'
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The only differences I can see between the UA INVITE and the
asterisk INVITE are these two lines.

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Max-Forwards: 70
Proxy-Authenticate: Digest realm="asterisk",
nonce="4c7c0d77"
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Can the "Proxy-Authenticate"  line be added to the asterisk request
somehow?

If anybody has any idea as to what is wrong it would be greatly 
appreciated.




Regards,

Jason

Blake Krone wrote:
> Hello all, I HAD video working before I upgraded to 1.08 (latest
> stable with Gentoo) and now it won't work. I just see noise bars and
> not the video. I know the camera works as I can use it in other
> programs such as AIM & Yahoo.
Which codec are you using for video in the eyeBeam?

We have video IVR, voicemail, billing for video calls etc working fine 
here with multiple hardware and also the eyeBeam.

My recommendation would be to allow only one video codec at a time in 
eyeBeam's confs.

-- 
Cheers,

Matt Riddell
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