Guys. I know there are wifi sip phones out there but I have a question, are any of these phones "anti explosive"? By that I mean, there are certain regulations about phones or cel phones that are not recommended to operate in environments like gas stations due to sparks and the chance of ingiting gas fumes. Are there any wifi sip phones out here that have complaince with regulations to operate in hazardous environments like Oil Platforms, etc? phones denominated "anti explosive" or something?
Anton - if you had a large opportunity and wanted a manufacturer to certify the phones as "anti-explosive", I know a few that would probably attest to their phones being "anti explosive" as long as there was no major liability involved. I do not see "anti explosive" listed in any of the technical specifications of WLAN phones made by Zyxel Hitachi UTStarCom Uniden Cisco Net2Com Cory Andrews Purchasing / EVP VOIPSupply.com v ? 716.630.1555 X22 e ? Cory@VOIPSupply.com Anton Krall wrote:>Guys. > >I know there are wifi sip phones out there but I have a question, are any of >these phones "anti explosive"? By that I mean, there are certain regulations >about phones or cel phones that are not recommended to operate in >environments like gas stations due to sparks and the chance of ingiting gas >fumes. > >Are there any wifi sip phones out here that have complaince with regulations >to operate in hazardous environments like Oil Platforms, etc? phones >denominated "anti explosive" or something? > >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > >
Cory, the word he is looking for is Intrinsically Safe. And yes there are some around (I know from when I used to work for Nira now Ascom Nira that there is a big market for safe versions of the pagers and Dect handsets). Cheers, Dean> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Cory Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2005 3:16 PM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones > > Anton - if you had a large opportunity and wanted a manufacturer to > certify the phones as "anti-explosive", I know a few that wouldprobably> attest to their phones being "anti explosive" as long as there was no > major liability involved. > > I do not see "anti explosive" listed in any of the technical > specifications of WLAN phones made by > > Zyxel > Hitachi > UTStarCom > Uniden > Cisco > Net2Com > > Cory Andrews > Purchasing / EVP > VOIPSupply.com > v - 716.630.1555 X22 > e - Cory@VOIPSupply.com > > > > Anton Krall wrote: > > >Guys. > > > >I know there are wifi sip phones out there but I have a question, areany> of > >these phones "anti explosive"? By that I mean, there are certain > regulations > >about phones or cel phones that are not recommended to operate in > >environments like gas stations due to sparks and the chance ofingiting> gas > >fumes. > > > >Are there any wifi sip phones out here that have complaince with > regulations > >to operate in hazardous environments like Oil Platforms, etc? phones > >denominated "anti explosive" or something? > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Asterisk-Users mailing list > >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
I know... The term "anti explosive" is new to me.. I never heard of it but a possible client is asking for that exactly since the phones are going to be used in oil refinary and r&d platforms using voip over satelite connections... What do you think? BTW, how is voip over satelite? I know you have the usual 500 ms lag for up and down stream delays but hows quality? |-----Original Message----- |From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com |[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of |Cory Andrews |Sent: Mi?rcoles, 15 de Junio de 2005 02:16 p.m. |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion |Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones | |Anton - if you had a large opportunity and wanted a |manufacturer to certify the phones as "anti-explosive", I know |a few that would probably attest to their phones being "anti |explosive" as long as there was no major liability involved. | |I do not see "anti explosive" listed in any of the technical |specifications of WLAN phones made by | |Zyxel |Hitachi |UTStarCom |Uniden |Cisco |Net2Com | |Cory Andrews |Purchasing / EVP |VOIPSupply.com |v ? 716.630.1555 X22 |e ? Cory@VOIPSupply.com | | | |Anton Krall wrote: | |>Guys. |> |>I know there are wifi sip phones out there but I have a question, are |>any of these phones "anti explosive"? By that I mean, there |are certain |>regulations about phones or cel phones that are not recommended to |>operate in environments like gas stations due to sparks and |the chance |>of ingiting gas fumes. |> |>Are there any wifi sip phones out here that have complaince with |>regulations to operate in hazardous environments like Oil Platforms, |>etc? phones denominated "anti explosive" or something? |> |>_______________________________________________ |>Asterisk-Users mailing list |>Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com |>http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users |>To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: |> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users |> |> |> |> |_______________________________________________ |Asterisk-Users mailing list |Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com |http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users |
Any pointers Dean? |-----Original Message----- |From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com |[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of |Dean Collins |Sent: Mi?rcoles, 15 de Junio de 2005 02:42 p.m. |To: Cory@VOIPSupply.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List - |Non-Commercial Discussion |Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones | |Cory, the word he is looking for is Intrinsically Safe. | |And yes there are some around (I know from when I used to work |for Nira now Ascom Nira that there is a big market for safe |versions of the pagers and Dect handsets). | |Cheers, |Dean | | |> -----Original Message----- |> From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com |[mailto:asterisk-users- |> bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Cory Andrews |> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2005 3:16 PM |> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion |> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones |> |> Anton - if you had a large opportunity and wanted a manufacturer to |> certify the phones as "anti-explosive", I know a few that would |probably |> attest to their phones being "anti explosive" as long as |there was no |> major liability involved. |> |> I do not see "anti explosive" listed in any of the technical |> specifications of WLAN phones made by |> |> Zyxel |> Hitachi |> UTStarCom |> Uniden |> Cisco |> Net2Com |> |> Cory Andrews |> Purchasing / EVP |> VOIPSupply.com |> v - 716.630.1555 X22 |> e - Cory@VOIPSupply.com |> |> |> |> Anton Krall wrote: |> |> >Guys. |> > |> >I know there are wifi sip phones out there but I have a |question, are |any |> of |> >these phones "anti explosive"? By that I mean, there are certain |> regulations |> >about phones or cel phones that are not recommended to operate in |> >environments like gas stations due to sparks and the chance of |ingiting |> gas |> >fumes. |> > |> >Are there any wifi sip phones out here that have complaince with |> regulations |> >to operate in hazardous environments like Oil Platforms, |etc? phones |> >denominated "anti explosive" or something? |> > |> >_______________________________________________ |> >Asterisk-Users mailing list |> >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com |> >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users |> >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: |> > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users |> > |> > |> > |> > |> _______________________________________________ |> Asterisk-Users mailing list |> Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com |> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users |> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: |> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users | | |_______________________________________________ |Asterisk-Users mailing list |Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com |http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users |
Anton, did you even read my post? If you don't know what you are doing then you don't deserve to be a distributor in this space. How are you going to isolate the access points? What rating zones will you need to meet? What existing arrestors are in place? (gas, fibre, etc) In addition, what ranges are they expecting from the access points? What physical environments are the signals going to be operating in? (steel etc) What 2.4 ghz interference can be expected from other emitting industrial equipment. What physical environment issues need to be considered condensation, salination, operating temps etc. Will these wifi handsets be a workers only form of communication or is there a backup dead mans pager/radio alert systems (occupational health and safety issues etc) There's a reason why intrinsic costs money and it's got a lot more to do with safety than will the satellite signal work well. Cheers, Dean> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Anton Krall > Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2005 4:53 PM > To: Cory@VOIPSupply.com; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial > Discussion' > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones > > I know... The term "anti explosive" is new to me.. I never heard of it but > a > possible client is asking for that exactly since the phones are going to > be > used in oil refinary and r&d platforms using voip over satelite > connections... > > What do you think? > > BTW, how is voip over satelite? I know you have the usual 500 ms lag for > up > and down stream delays but hows quality? > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > |[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of > |Cory Andrews > |Sent: Mi?rcoles, 15 de Junio de 2005 02:16 p.m. > |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > |Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones > | > |Anton - if you had a large opportunity and wanted a > |manufacturer to certify the phones as "anti-explosive", I know > |a few that would probably attest to their phones being "anti > |explosive" as long as there was no major liability involved. > | > |I do not see "anti explosive" listed in any of the technical > |specifications of WLAN phones made by > | > |Zyxel > |Hitachi > |UTStarCom > |Uniden > |Cisco > |Net2Com > | > |Cory Andrews > |Purchasing / EVP > |VOIPSupply.com > |v - 716.630.1555 X22 > |e - Cory@VOIPSupply.com > | > | > | > |Anton Krall wrote: > | > |>Guys. > |> > |>I know there are wifi sip phones out there but I have a question, are > |>any of these phones "anti explosive"? By that I mean, there > |are certain > |>regulations about phones or cel phones that are not recommended to > |>operate in environments like gas stations due to sparks and > |the chance > |>of ingiting gas fumes. > |> > |>Are there any wifi sip phones out here that have complaince with > |>regulations to operate in hazardous environments like Oil Platforms, > |>etc? phones denominated "anti explosive" or something? > |> > |>_______________________________________________ > |>Asterisk-Users mailing list > |>Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > |>http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > |>To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > |> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > |> > |> > |> > |> > |_______________________________________________ > |Asterisk-Users mailing list > |Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > |http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > | > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
How About "Pro Reliable" before we look for "Anti Explosive" WIFI phones. Has anyone got recommendations on WIFI Phones that work with Asterisk? Seshu -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Anton Krall Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:53 PM To: Cory@VOIPSupply.com; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones I know... The term "anti explosive" is new to me.. I never heard of it but a possible client is asking for that exactly since the phones are going to be used in oil refinary and r&d platforms using voip over satelite connections... What do you think? BTW, how is voip over satelite? I know you have the usual 500 ms lag for up and down stream delays but hows quality? -------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited.
> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of > Dean Collins > Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2005 5:42 AM > To: Cory@VOIPSupply.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List - > Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones > > Cory, the word he is looking for is Intrinsically Safe.There are many levels of <Ex> or FM rating. First yo uneed to find out the zone category and work from there. There are many products that are available with <Ex> and FM markings, but none of the wireless phones (dect) I found were approved for "Hot" zones. I found no "WiFi" fones with IS ratings of any kind.> > And yes there are some around (I know from when I used to > work for Nira now Ascom Nira that there is a big market for > safe versions of the pagers and Dect handsets). > > Cheers, > Dean > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users- > > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Cory Andrews > > Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2005 3:16 PM > > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones > > > > Anton - if you had a large opportunity and wanted a manufacturer to > > certify the phones as "anti-explosive", I know a few that would > probably > > attest to their phones being "anti explosive" as long as > there was no > > major liability involved. > > > > I do not see "anti explosive" listed in any of the technical > > specifications of WLAN phones made by > > > > Zyxel > > Hitachi > > UTStarCom > > Uniden > > Cisco > > Net2Com > > > > Cory Andrews > > Purchasing / EVP > > VOIPSupply.com > > v - 716.630.1555 X22 > > e - Cory@VOIPSupply.com > > > > > > > > Anton Krall wrote: > > > > >Guys. > > > > > >I know there are wifi sip phones out there but I have a > question, are > any > > of > > >these phones "anti explosive"? By that I mean, there are certain > > regulations > > >about phones or cel phones that are not recommended to operate in > > >environments like gas stations due to sparks and the chance of > ingiting > > gas > > >fumes. > > > > > >Are there any wifi sip phones out here that have complaince with > > regulations > > >to operate in hazardous environments like Oil Platforms, > etc? phones > > >denominated "anti explosive" or something? > > >
> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of > Cory Andrews > Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2005 5:16 AM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones > > Anton - if you had a large opportunity and wanted a > manufacturer to certify the phones as "anti-explosive", I > know a few that would probably attest to their phones being > "anti explosive" as long as there was no major liability involved.This is not correct. IS[1] ratings are not applied by the manuf. They are tested and eithe passed or not by independent testing bodies. There are many IS ratings available, and they have nothing to do with the level of liability, they are purely to do with the atmosphere rating. [1] IS == Intrinsically Safe, marked with a green <Ex> or Fm sticker on the device and its powersource (battery)> > I do not see "anti explosive" listed in any of the technical > specifications of WLAN phones made by > > Zyxel > Hitachi > UTStarCom > Uniden > Cisco > Net2Com > > Cory Andrews > Purchasing / EVP > VOIPSupply.com > v - 716.630.1555 X22 > e - Cory@VOIPSupply.com > > > > Anton Krall wrote: > > >Guys. > > > >I know there are wifi sip phones out there but I have a > question, are > >any of these phones "anti explosive"? By that I mean, there > are certain > >regulations about phones or cel phones that are not recommended to > >operate in environments like gas stations due to sparks and > the chance > >of ingiting gas fumes. > > > >Are there any wifi sip phones out here that have complaince with > >regulations to operate in hazardous environments like Oil Platforms, > >etc? phones denominated "anti explosive" or something? > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Asterisk-Users mailing list > >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> Has anyone got recommendations on WIFI Phones that work with Asterisk?I use the Hitachi Cable Wireless WiFi phone every day with my Asterisk setup through a home NAT router - works great. -- Nabeel Jafferali X2 Networks www.x2n.ca T: 1.647.722.6900 1.877.VOIP.X2N F: 1.866.655.6698 FWD: 46990
Ahmm Andrew, are you sure they are steel? It's been a long time since I did any work in this space but we used to install them in plastic not metal.....plastic works better with the radio waves. Cheers, Dean> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kohlsmith > Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2005 7:12 AM > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones > > On Thursday 16 June 2005 06:59, Anton Krall wrote: > > Guys.. We havent even started taking about costs here. Velieve me,this> > customer is not concerned about costs ... At least not yet... Hejust> wants > > to know if there are any IS wifi phones compatible with asterisk out > there. > > Any IS SIP phone should work just fine with Asterisk, but I have never > seen an > IS SIP phone. It might be far better to use an IS cordless phone andput> the > base station and ATA in an explosion-proof box. We do that with our > industrial drives. VERY cool looking (1/2 or 3/4" bolt every 1"around> the > entire enclosure door, 1" thick steel) but as you can imagine, > unbelievably > expensive. > > The IS crowd is a lot like the food agency crowd -- stainless steel > enclosures > ain't cheap but you're talking about health and safety -- they realizeand> understand that they're not looking for cheap. > > -A. > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of > Anton Krall > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:01 PM > To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones > > Guys. > > I know there are wifi sip phones out there but I have a > question, are any of these phones "anti explosive"? By that I > mean, there are certain regulations about phones or cel > phones that are not recommended to operate in environments > like gas stations due to sparks and the chance of ingiting gas fumes.You are referring to (in the US anyway) certification as "intrinsically safe". I don't know either way about phones listed as such, but with the right terminology you might have better liuck searching. voiceverified. | Daryl G. Jurbala -------------- | Chief Technology Officer | 215.862.1160 x235 (Office) It had to be you! | 215.862.9880 (FAX)
> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of > Dean Collins > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:57 AM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] WiFi IP Phones > > Ahmm Andrew, are you sure they are steel? > > It's been a long time since I did any work in this space but > we used to install them in plastic not metal.....plastic > works better with the radio waves.IS does not necessarily mean steel. My Motorola alpha pager, and my Motorola XTS3000 radio are both plastic and IS listed. voiceverified. | Daryl G. Jurbala -------------- | Chief Technology Officer | 215.862.1160 x235 (Office) It had to be you! | 215.862.9880 (FAX)