asterisk users - Jan 2005 - Re: bellster.net - GREATadvance

>Shoval Tomer wrote:
>> As far as I know it's not legal to join bellster in Israel.
>> 
>> It means that you're reselling the minutes you buy from the telco
>> company.
>
>Wouldn't you need to be selling them to be reselling?
>
>Does that make DISA illegal, and VoIP connections between offices if you 
>dial out the other end?
Well, a thing like bellster is illegal in any country with a telecomm law (to be
read:
all countries).
If you do it in a low volume fashion, it's very difficult for the telco or
the regulators
to catch up, also you can argue that you are not doing any economic profit of
that. Let's
say, even if bellster uses +240 min/day of your phone, that hardly is noticeable
for
them.

To the private intra-company VoIP, you can make a VoIP call from one office to
another
and then hop to the PSTN without any problem, it's company only traffic. I
do that, and
the telco or the regulators will never come up. Also, if they come they will
have an
incredibly hard time proving you that.

BUT, if you start making economic profit (selling) a toll bypassing service
without a
gov't permit, the regulators will come to nock your door in a very short
time, and you
WILL have a very big fat problem. As example, in Mexico, last month the
goverment closed
and seized the equipment of (the major -almost a monopoly- telco complained
about having
competition, and the gov't quickly served them as allways) 13 of 14
established VoIP biz
for not having the legal permits in place (the only left already had a permit).



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>If you do it in a low volume fashion, it's very difficult for the telco
or
>the regulators
>to catch up, also you can argue that you are not doing any economic profit
>of that. Let's
>say, even if bellster uses +240 min/day of your phone, that hardly is
>noticeable for
>them.
No, it's quite noticeable if you do another 240 minutes at different times,
each day, to a wide range of numbers. Software will catch that if anyone
cares to check. In fact, my telco turned off my line when I started using it
more (went from low usage to "using for Internet all the time"). Had
to go
down and pay and assure that yes I was making those calls.
>To the private intra-company VoIP, you can make a VoIP call from one office
>to another
>and then hop to the PSTN without any problem, it's company only traffic.
I
>do that, and
>the telco or the regulators will never come up. Also, if they come they
>will have an
>incredibly hard time proving you that.
Yes, because that fits into a standard business calling pattern. 

-Michael