I understand that softphone are the answer in fact I deploy a ton of the Ip comm version every week. I am under contract with the phones so I can't sell them and there no easy way out of the contract. As for 79XX's I have several office that have them working over a VPN backed in to our main office where the CCM's and GW's are with managable problem and for the most part they are fine. As for the hacker I am not to concert about them (yes I know this is stupid but where are they going to go besides in my little phone world as the sip system will hang off my big system) I just can't belive it's that hard to setup a sip system. Another note on the hacker security thing. I would be happy if could get it to work first with no outside PSTN connection then do a security audit on it and fix the holes. If the holes are to bad after the audit then well I have a nice prebuild system to let some one rent or borrow till the lease it up. Sorry about the tone but I have been dealing with CCM bugs all day long with cisco TAC (I bet most of you here have been suck with them before) --------------- As far as your investment is concerned, the phones have a used value. I can offer you $150/phone, but that's not the point. Putting the 79xx in the field is a bad idea. The 79xx was intended for the LAN, you know it, I should not have to sell you on the reason's why field servicing the phone is fraught with perrel. I like softphones. First, employees can't steal them, second, you don't have rewiring to worry about and 3rd, it's $15/employee for a decent headset. If you want to try IAX, see the attached softphone. I usually can get through any firewall/NAT with this little guy. It's not pretty, but it works great. The nice part about IAX is that it is so obscure that most hackers will ignore it as they want to crack SIP or H323. IAX is pretty safe. Regards, TL -----Original Message----- From: lists [mailto:lists@efastfunding.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:43 PM To: 'Todd Lieberman' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] * and Cisco routers The problem is I have 50-60 7940 just sitting in very large closet and I also have about 150 DIDs free. The other thing is I would have a very very hard time justifying new hardware. I am currently deploying cisco's Ip softphones which work great but what the hell do you do with 50-60 7940's that we paid 315 or less per? Doug Block Chief Information Officer of Efast Funding 713-983-4055 (Direct) 888-338-3863 x 4055 (Toll Free) 713-983-4555 (Direct Fax) 832-483-4495 (Cell) -----Original Message----- From: Todd Lieberman [mailto:todd@tlsolutions.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:23 PM To: lists@efastfunding.com Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] * and Cisco routers Hi Doug, What your talking about is setting up 50-60 home networks, it' will consume your time. I suggest the IAXy ATA with the IAX2 protocol or some other NAT friendly protocol. 7940's are good on the LAN, not a WAN. If you like asterisk, look at: http://www.voxilla.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=54 I have these in stock and could send you one to play with. I'll also buy your 7940's. TL -- Todd Lieberman todd@tlsolutions.net http://tlsolutions.net p. 215-495-0030 f. 215-495-0031 -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of lists Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:45 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] * and Cisco routers I am completely new to * ( I know read the archives but this is a little different case) I am trying to setup a Sip system out side my security firewalls for home users. I currently run a Cisco avvid solution internally but it's highly firwalled. I am planning on building a pri out of my 3745 cisco router and pluging it in to a 3810 which is on the outside setup with sip and running a * server to server the call on the outside to 7940 phones with the sip load. I don't care about VM that much other then to pass is back to my unity box over the very short PRI channel. I know this sounds really strange but I am not about to let my cisco CCM's even touch the net to make remote phones work and static vpning hardphones is getting a bit pricey at 550 a pop for pix boxes plus power supplys. I don't have a big problem with different ext as this would mainly be for out bound calls and my users can fwd there desk phone's DID to a ext that goes to there house. Basically this is a way for me to use up my 50-60 odd 7940 that I have in storage and to allow my sales teams to work from home on the companies bulk phone plan. Any ideas or comments would be great. Doug Block Chief Information Officer of Efast Funding 713-983-4055 (Direct) 888-338-3863 x 4055 (Toll Free) 713-983-4555 (Direct Fax) 832-483-4495 (Cell)