openssh unix dev - Jun 2023 - Defend against user enumeration timing attacks - overkill

Dear colleagues,

May I ask you to explain whether I am wrong in my conclusions?

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:55?AM Dmitry Belyavskiy <dbelyavs at
redhat.com> wrote:
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> Dear colleagues,
>
> I have a question about this commit:
>
>
https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable/commit/e9d910b0289c820852f7afa67f584cef1c05fe95#diff-a25e40214ca9c9f78abce22f23bf2abdb2a24384c6610d60bbb314aed534eb48R216
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> The function ensure_minimum_time_since effectively doubles the time
> spent in the input_userauth_request (mostly presumably in PAM). So if
> PAM processing is really slow, it will cause huge delays - but if it
> is so slow, it's more difficult to perform the enumeration attack.
>
> So doesn't it make sense to provide an upper limit here and if really
> spent time is more than this upper limit, to avoid extra sleep? Will
> it be still necessary to protect from the attack? Vice versa, when the
> auth failure happens fast enough, the doubling will not significantly
> slow down the enumerations...
>
> Any comments will be highly appreciated!
>
> --
> Dmitry Belyavskiy


-- 
Dmitry Belyavskiy

Dmitry Belyavskiy wrote:
> May I ask you to explain whether I am wrong in my conclusions?
I guess it's not clear what problem you are trying to solve.


//Peter