CentOS - Dec 2020 - [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS.

Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision? Remember
that the -devel mailing list, and IRC channels *do not* represent the vast
majority of CentOS users. Most of us are just sysadmins trying to keep our
systems that have been using CentOS for many, many years running and our
procedures for installing, and patching systems working after whatever
changes have been mysteriously decided upon, and forced on us.

We will be forced to look at other distributions now; and forced to do a
ton of unnecessary work to deal with this.

Thanks a lot.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
> distribution ecosystem.
>
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
> to contact Red Hat about options.
>
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> project focus might affect you.
>
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
> ]
>
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> CentOS-devel at centos.org
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I agree this is shocking news.? If we don't want to be beta testers and 
want to continue to use a stable tested OS should we be moving to RHEL 
servers?? Is there a license-free RHEL server option that is the 
recommended path from using CentOS?

Chris

On 12/8/2020 8:32 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS.
>
> Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision? Remember
> that the -devel mailing list, and IRC channels *do not* represent the vast
> majority of CentOS users. Most of us are just sysadmins trying to keep our
> systems that have been using CentOS for many, many years running and our
> procedures for installing, and patching systems working after whatever
> changes have been mysteriously decided upon, and forced on us.
>
> We will be forced to look at other distributions now; and forced to do a
> ton of unnecessary work to deal with this.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com>
wrote:
>
>> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
>> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
>> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
>> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
>> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
>> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>>
>> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS
Linux
>> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
>> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
>>
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>>
>> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
>> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
>> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
>> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
>> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
>> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
>> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
>> distribution ecosystem.
>>
>> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
>> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
>> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux
releases.
>> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
>> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
>> to contact Red Hat about options.
>>
>> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
>> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
>> project focus might affect you.
>>
>> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>>
>>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
>> ]
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CentOS-devel mailing list
>> CentOS-devel at centos.org
>> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>>
>
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> Am 08.12.2020 um 15:32 schrieb Phelps, Matthew <mphelps at
cfa.harvard.edu>:
> 
> This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS.
> 


Of course it is.

> Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision? Remember
> that the -devel mailing list, and IRC channels *do not* represent the vast
> majority of CentOS users. Most of us are just sysadmins trying to keep our
> systems that have been using CentOS for many, many years running and our
> procedures for installing, and patching systems working after whatever
> changes have been mysteriously decided upon, and forced on us.
> 
> We will be forced to look at other distributions now; and forced to do a
> ton of unnecessary work to deal with this.


The reality is that it was always on borrowed time.

Getting RHEL without paying for it and with slight delays in updates (most
people don?t even update that often anyway) wasn?t going to be sustainable,
ever.

If your business case resolves around being able to freeload on the work of
others, then there?s a serious problem with the business case.

And I say that as somebody who has installed a large portion of the CentOS8 (and
7) servers at work.

Not sure what we ourselves are going to do about it, though.

I would hate to switch to Ubuntu for the stuff I like CentOS most for (for some,
it?s arguably not the greatest distro).

We might end up licensing RHEL for that - and the rest maybe Fedora.

On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:32:00 AM PST Phelps, Matthew
wrote:
> This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS.
> 
> Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision? Remember
> that the -devel mailing list, and IRC channels *do not* represent the vast
> majority of CentOS users. Most of us are just sysadmins trying to keep our
> systems that have been using CentOS for many, many years running and our
> procedures for installing, and patching systems working after whatever
> changes have been mysteriously decided upon, and forced on us.
> 
> We will be forced to look at other distributions now; and forced to do a
> ton of unnecessary work to deal with this.
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com>
wrote:
> > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> > year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> > Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of
a
> > current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> > at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving
as
> > the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
> > 
> > Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS
Linux
> > 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> > the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> >
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
> > 
> > CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> > collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> > ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> > version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> > than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> > contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> > And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
> > distribution ecosystem.
> > 
> > When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> > be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> > Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux
releases.
> > If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> > concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage
you
> > to contact Red Hat about options.
> > 
> > We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> > information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> > project focus might affect you.
Maybe, maybe not. 

Take a look at Rocky Linux 
https://www.reddit.com/r/RockyLinux/comments/ka0qlv/
meet_rocky_linux_new_rhel_fork_by_the_original/


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