Hello, I have another question as to what we need to use with our stations, if Icecast is what we need. We will be simulcasting three stations through DSL. No one will be accessing this but our stations. We will put out our programming from the main office, hook up a computer at three stations to receive the feed and put it out on air. Then also we will be on the internet with one of the stations. Someone told me that there were dedicated programs that are built just to stream from one station to the other, that other people can't access. They said that was best for streaming between stations. What are we best to do? Use one of these programs for that and then use Icecast for streaming through the internet? Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/attachments/20050630/cc519748/attachment.htm
New Life Bible College and Seiminary wrote:> Hello, I have another question as to what we need to use with our > stations, if Icecast is what we need. We will be simulcasting three > stations through DSL. No one will be accessing this but our stations. > We will put out our programming from the main office, hook up a > computer at three stations to receive the feed and put it out on air. > Then also we will be on the internet with one of the stations. > Someone told me that there were dedicated programs that are built > just to stream from one station to the other, that other people can't > access. They said that was best for streaming between stations. What > are we best to do? Use one of these programs for that and then use > Icecast for streaming through the internet? Any ideas?http://liveice.sourceforge.net/understanding.html
If you are broadcasting the same feed on all three stations, then, you can encode at a high bit rate (FM quality - see the Icecast documentation to decide format and bit rate). Then, use Icecast to serve the feed and your stations can then attach to the feed and receive their signal. You can use authentication, or even an obscure mount name (If it isn't published anywhere, how could anyone guess that your feed is on http://232.156.023.232/uTe8GQ64.ogg) But, here's a practical consideration: If you stream a private feed for your other stations to pick-up for rebroadcast, you will have a latency caused by buffering and other factors. So, you won't be able to have a program at a remote station start at exactly 10:00, for example. Nor will you be able to have the three stations synchronized. The big advantage of streaming technology is that the origination point and the access points can be literally anywhere the Internet is available with no advance planning. You can even use wireless Internet technologies for broadcasting or receiving. But, it sounds like your origination point and your three access points are fixed locations - and there are only three of them. Since you're talking about fixed locations and especially if you're broadcasting 24 hours per day, you may find that ISDN telephone lines are more reliable and less expensive (or at least competitive) than Internet technology. Of course, you would still use Icecast for streaming to your audience as you mentioned no matter what you do for the links to your three radio stations. Geoff New Life Bible College and Seiminary wrote:> Hello, > I have another question as to what we need to use with our stations, > if Icecast is what we need. We will be simulcasting three stations > through DSL. No one will be accessing this but our stations. We will > put out our programming from the main office, hook up a computer at > three stations to receive the feed and put it out on air. Then also > we will be on the internet with one of the stations. Someone told me > that there were dedicated programs that are built just to stream from > one station to the other, that other people can't access. They said > that was best for streaming between stations. What are we best to > do? Use one of these programs for that and then use Icecast for > streaming through the internet? Any ideas? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast@xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.6/33 - Release Date: 6/28/2005 > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/attachments/20050630/62dee3cb/attachment.html
As a national broadcaster, ISDN is definitely NOT
cost effective compared to IP based transport.
It does buy you reliable transport and reasonable delay however.
For us to get to StarGuide and our affiliates, we have
to use ISDN. We spend a lot of money on these lines and have driven
our rate down to 4 cents per minute. But we DO NOT broadcast 24 hours
a day.
I would consider an ADN, Fract T1, ATM or Frame Circuit if you have
tight timing requirements.
Our show and some of our new 24 hour stations are going on Icecast
servers soon
as the end user delay is not as big an issue as compared to traditional
AM/FM timing requirements.
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On Jun 30, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Geoff Staples wrote:
> If you are broadcasting the same feed on all three stations, then,
> you can encode at a high bit rate (FM quality - see the Icecast
> documentation to decide format and bit rate). Then, use Icecast to
> serve the feed and your stations can then attach to the feed and
> receive their signal. You can use authentication, or even an
> obscure mount name (If it isn't published anywhere, how could
> anyone guess that your feed is on http://232.156.023.232/uTe8GQ64.ogg)
>
> But, here's a practical consideration: If you stream a private feed
> for your other stations to pick-up for rebroadcast, you will have a
> latency caused by buffering and other factors. So, you won't be
> able to have a program at a remote station start at exactly 10:00,
> for example. Nor will you be able to have the three stations
> synchronized.
>
> The big advantage of streaming technology is that the origination
> point and the access points can be literally anywhere the Internet
> is available with no advance planning. You can even use wireless
> Internet technologies for broadcasting or receiving. But, it sounds
> like your origination point and your three access points are fixed
> locations - and there are only three of them.
>
> Since you're talking about fixed locations and especially if you're
> broadcasting 24 hours per day, you may find that ISDN telephone
> lines are more reliable and less expensive (or at least
> competitive) than Internet technology.
>
> Of course, you would still use Icecast for streaming to your
> audience as you mentioned no matter what you do for the links to
> your three radio stations.
>
> Geoff