My problem is not with the Icecast server, but with my user's ability
to get a decent client to play the streams. I have 3 Icecast streams
created using Ices, and the mountpoints have the mp3 extension.
My users and I have observed:
1) If Quick Time is brought up by the browser, it skips and chokes on
the stream.
2) If Windows Media is brought up by the browser, it will do either of
two things:
a) Try to download an Active-X component from Microsoft, which will
then not play the stream, or
b) Try to buffer 30-50 Meg, even though the player options are set to
buffer only 5 seconds worth of audio.
3) There does not seem to be a way in Windoze to get the browser to
bring up Winamp or Real Player when the stream is selected.
Real Player and Winamp play the streams fine but cannot be configured
to be brought up by the browser even though they are told to associate with
.mp3 media. These players will play the stream if the URL below is
entered directly into the player's location input field.
The URL looks like this: http://www.RainbowRadio.com:8000/club.mp3
My goal is to instruct users as how Winamp may be brought up to play
the stream automatically. I am migrating from Real Audio to
Icecast, but I cannot complete the migration with users having so much
trouble with the streams.
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Todd Merriman - Rainbow Radio Sound & Light
+1 770 889 5897
8030 Pooles Mill Dr., Ball Ground, GA 30107
dj@RainbowRadio.com
http://www.RainbowRadio.com
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This certainly sounds like the 'war for control' that often happens when you try to install Winamp & RealPlayer on the same box. It's been discussed at great length in the www.winamp.com support forum. You are sticking the URL into a .ram file in order to start RealPlayer, right? -bg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Merriman" <todd@toolz.com> To: <icecast@xiph.org> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: [icecast] Client Woes> My problem is not with the Icecast server, but with my user's ability > to get a decent client to play the streams. I have 3 Icecast streams > created using Ices, and the mountpoints have the mp3 extension. > My users and I have observed: > > 1) If Quick Time is brought up by the browser, it skips and chokes on > the stream. > 2) If Windows Media is brought up by the browser, it will do either of > two things: > a) Try to download an Active-X component from Microsoft, which will > then not play the stream, or > b) Try to buffer 30-50 Meg, even though the player options are set to > buffer only 5 seconds worth of audio. > 3) There does not seem to be a way in Windoze to get the browser to > bring up Winamp or Real Player when the stream is selected. > > Real Player and Winamp play the streams fine but cannot be configured > to be brought up by the browser even though they are told to associatewith> .mp3 media. These players will play the stream if the URL below is > entered directly into the player's location input field. > > The URL looks like this: http://www.RainbowRadio.com:8000/club.mp3 > > My goal is to instruct users as how Winamp may be brought up to play > the stream automatically. I am migrating from Real Audio to > Icecast, but I cannot complete the migration with users having so much > trouble with the streams. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Todd Merriman - Rainbow Radio Sound & Light > +1 770 889 5897 > 8030 Pooles Mill Dr., Ball Ground, GA 30107 > dj@RainbowRadio.com > http://www.RainbowRadio.com > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Todd Merriman wrote:> The URL looks like this: http://www.RainbowRadio.com:8000/club.mp3 > > My goal is to instruct users as how Winamp may be brought up to play > the stream automatically. I am migrating from Real Audio to > Icecast, but I cannot complete the migration with users having so much > trouble with the streams.Create a .m3u file, a simple text file, containing the above MP3 URL (m3u stand for Mp3 Url). Link this .m3u file from the file. The clients will download the .m3u file, look into it, and see the Mp3 source URL, and play that. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Jack Moffitt wrote:> The way to prevetn this download, or rather to work around it, is to use > a small intermediate playlist file. In order to get maximum client > support, m3u files are best. Just make an m3u file called stream.m3u > and in it put: > > http://www.RainbowRadio.com:8000/club.mp3 > > Then point your users to that file. Which will quickly download, get > sent to the player registered for M3u's, and then the player will > connect and start to stream that file.It also help's alot to associate the m3u to the correct mime type on the server side. In Apache would you place: AddType audio/x-mpegurl .m3u In your httpd.conf file. This will make it work even in RealPlayer (ie, I never had to use .ram files for mp3s) harvey> > jack. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> The URL looks like this: http://www.RainbowRadio.com:8000/club.mp3 > > My goal is to instruct users as how Winamp may be brought up to play > the stream automatically. I am migrating from Real Audio to > Icecast, but I cannot complete the migration with users having so much > trouble with the streams.So what did you expect to happen just having people click on an MP3? Here's how browsers work. Click. Oh, a file. I'll download it. [ After download ] What type a file is it. Oh mp3! I'll hand that to application X. The way to prevetn this download, or rather to work around it, is to use a small intermediate playlist file. In order to get maximum client support, m3u files are best. Just make an m3u file called stream.m3u and in it put: http://www.RainbowRadio.com:8000/club.mp3 Then point your users to that file. Which will quickly download, get sent to the player registered for M3u's, and then the player will connect and start to stream that file. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Uh, looks like I didn't read closely enough to recognize the depth of the problem :-). Jack's instructions on making/using .m3u files will make the stream play in Winamp. To have it play in RealPlayer, use an identical file - but with a .ram extension. -bg> > The URL looks like this: http://www.RainbowRadio.com:8000/club.mp3 > > > > My goal is to instruct users as how Winamp may be brought up to play > > the stream automatically. I am migrating from Real Audio to > > Icecast, but I cannot complete the migration with users having so much > > trouble with the streams. > > So what did you expect to happen just having people click on an MP3? > > Here's how browsers work. > > Click. > > Oh, a file. I'll download it. > [ After download ] > What type a file is it. Oh mp3! I'll hand that to application X. > > The way to prevetn this download, or rather to work around it, is to use > a small intermediate playlist file. In order to get maximum client > support, m3u files are best. Just make an m3u file called stream.m3u > and in it put: > > http://www.RainbowRadio.com:8000/club.mp3 > > Then point your users to that file. Which will quickly download, get > sent to the player registered for M3u's, and then the player will > connect and start to stream that file. > > jack. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.