samba - Mar 2016 - The sad state of samba 4 adaption for home/small business routers.

Reindl Harald <h.reindl <at> thelounge.net> writes:
> most likely because there is no serious market
> 
> if i want a NAS i buy a NAS
> if i want a router i buy a router
> 
> 
> no struggle with updates and security holes
> no struggle with software versions
> no struggle with "i can have this and this but not combined with
that"
> no struggle with "cool features but terrible slow" or otherside
round
> no bloatware
> 
Thats a strange argument, since up until recently home/sbu routers did not
come with 256/512MB ram, had USB3/sata3 ports and dual core arm cpu's.

All the above points are basically what i have now on my WRT-1200AC running
openWRT.
I use the latest 4.4.4 kernel + btrfs and can max out the GB ports using
smb3.1, while the system is stable and i can pick exactly what runs on the
system.

All this runs at 3-5 watts energy in a small form factor, at a very
affordable price.


bye
Andy


PS: I'm also curious what consumer router/nas combo would you buy to meet
your own requirements? There are security problems on almost all routers,
thats the reason why so many switch to openWRT/tomato/dd-wrt based
firmwares. That was also the main reason why the Asus N-16 and WRT54G became
famous.

Am 11.03.2016 um 20:31 schrieb Andy Walsh:
> Reindl Harald <h.reindl <at> thelounge.net> writes:
>
>> most likely because there is no serious market
>>
>> if i want a NAS i buy a NAS
>> if i want a router i buy a router
>>
>> no struggle with updates and security holes
>> no struggle with software versions
>> no struggle with "i can have this and this but not combined with
that"
>> no struggle with "cool features but terrible slow" or
otherside round
>> no bloatware
>
> Thats a strange argument, since up until recently home/sbu routers did not
> come with 256/512MB ram, had USB3/sata3 ports and dual core arm cpu's.
bloatware means unsecure, uncomfortable webinterfaces with limited 
functionality compared what iptables alone offers you with some knowledge
> All the above points are basically what i have now on my WRT-1200AC running
> openWRT.
> I use the latest 4.4.4 kernel + btrfs and can max out the GB ports using
> smb3.1, while the system is stable and i can pick exactly what runs on the
> system.
>
> All this runs at 3-5 watts energy in a small form factor, at a very
> affordable price.
and than there is a switch, some other hardware and so on
> PS: I'm also curious what consumer router/nas combo would you buy to
meet
> your own requirements? There are security problems on almost all routers,
> thats the reason why so many switch to openWRT/tomato/dd-wrt based
> firmwares. That was also the main reason why the Asus N-16 and WRT54G
became
> famous
none at all - no consumer hardware for me again in this life

my PC from 2011 plays router, switch (4 ports), 2 WLAN accesspoints with 
hostapd and a single wireless card with a second fake MAC, hosts 4 
permanent running virtual machines, two of them with a public IP, plays 
music all day long, has 4 TB usable RAID10 storage, webserver, 
fileserver, a connected SIP phone, permanent connection to 4 VPN 
networks, is at the same time a mailserver and also capable to run a 
full featured KDE desktop with 3D effects

with the monitor powered off the whole IT including a SIP phone that way 
eats 45 watts and has horespower none of all that "embedded devices" 
ever can offer, there is one ethernet cable to the modem and the whole 
IT get's it's public IP addresses via DHCP inside a single box

in other words: i never ever will buy in the future any external device

and frankly if someone thinks 45 watts are to much you can achieve most 
of ot with a single HP microserver with a XEON CPU with 17 watts TDP and 
with hardware from 2014/2015 you end likely around 30-35 watts idle 
while have the same horsepower to not need any second device at all

recently built a NAS system for Samba/NFS with such a box to have a 
cheap, large storage used also as shared storage for VMware vSphere

15 TB traffic in the first week with a maximum of 15% system load

all that embedded crap is for people which needs handholding and have 
fun to own a dozen of halfbaken devices instead just one real box

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Reindl Harald <h.reindl <at> thelounge.net> writes:

>bloatware means unsecure, uncomfortable webinterfaces with limited 
>functionality compared what iptables alone offers you with some knowledge
> all that embedded crap is for people which needs handholding and have 
> fun to own a dozen of halfbaken devices instead just one real box
It seems you still have some misconception on what openWRT actually is and
can or can't do. You also quite underestimate what modern arm based embedded
devices can do.

I get it that you are happy and comfortable building/configuring your own
boxes by hand. In the meantime 99% of the normal home/sbu are not and hence
projects like openwrt/dd-wrt/tomato/buildroot try to bring some of your hand
crafted "magic" to the masses.

Also keep in mind that samba3.6 was successfully adopted on any device that
had a usb2.0 port in the past. So slapping a usbstick/sdcard/hdd on a cheap
router is already a common scenario.

bye
Andy