Hey!! It is now showing the former users' folders at the top level of the current user. Great! Perhaps dovecot just needed time to "index" the new messages? Anyway, Luigi's suggestion on moving and renaming the folders apparently worked. Thanks!!!! --Mark -----Original Message-----> Subject: Re: Moving Maildir folders > From: Frank-Ulrich Sommer <f-u.s at gmx.net> > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:41:10 +0200 > To: dovecot at dovecot.org> How did you verify that dovecot doesn't show these folders? Couldn't this be a client problem? In Thunderbird e.g. it might be necessary to update the list of displayed folders. > > Am 16. Juli 2016 19:07:39 MESZ, schrieb Mark Foley <mfoley at ohprs.org>: > >On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:53:27 +0200 Luigi Rosa <lists at luigirosa.com> > >wrote: > >> > >> Mark Foley wrote on 16/07/2016 07:43: > >> > Our office had a user leave. Another user is taking over her > >duties and needs reference to the > >> > departing user's email. I've copied that entire departed user's > >Maildir structure to the current > >> > user: > >> > > >> > mv olduser/Maildir/.* curuser/Maildir/.olduser > >> > > >> > I did change permission and ownership on curuser/Maildir/.olduser > >to be the target user. I did > >> > not bring over the olduser/Maildir/dovecot* files (indexes, > >subscriptions, etc.) as I thought > >> > that would be bad. > >> > >> Maildir has no nested folders. > >> > >> If you want a subtree structure in maildir you must create each > >folder at the > >> first level > >> > >> in the new user you must have something like: > >> > >> .olduser.INBOX > >> .olduser.Sent > >> .olduser.Trash > >> .olduser.Drafts > >> .olduser.whatever > >> > >> Each directory with tmp, newm cur subdirs only (ad dovecot files, of > >course) > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> Ciao, > >> luigi > >> > >> / > >> +--[Luigi Rosa]-- > >> \ > >> > >> Understanding is a three-edged sword. > >> --Kosh, "Deathwalker" > > > >OK, I believe I've done as you suggested, but still nothing showing on > >the target users mail > >client. Here's what part of the Maildir looks like with the 1st set of > >folders belonging to the > >target user and those beginning with .bpatterson from the old user. > >Does this look right as > >you've advised? Perhaps I need to do something else? > > > >.INBOX.Travel/ > >.INBOX.UPS/ > >.INBOX.US\ Bank/ > >.INBOX.United\ Health\ Care-Employee/ > >.INBOX.VRC/ > >.INBOX.Website/ > >.INBOX.Website.Mouse\ Pad\ Insert/ > >.INBOX.iLink/ > >.Junk\ E-mail/ > >.Sent\ Items/ > >.Templates/ > >.bpatterson.Deleted\ Items/ > >.bpatterson.Drafts/ > >.bpatterson.INBOX.2011\ Investment\ Confirmation\ Responses/ > >.bpatterson.INBOX.2011\ and\ 2012\ KCR\ Audit/ > >.bpatterson.INBOX.2012\ Investment\ Confirmation\ Responses/ > >.bpatterson.INBOX.2013\ Health\ Care\ Changes\ -\ Information/ > >.bpatterson.INBOX.2013\ Investment\ Confirmation\ Responses/ > > > >At the top level, the target user has (in email client): > > > >Inbox > >Drafts > >Templates > >Sent Items > >Junk E-mail > >Deleted Items > > > >I'm expecting to see "bpatterson" appear in that list. > > > >Thanks --Mark > > -- > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet. >
Not quite there yet. The folders show up, but I cannot see the mail inside the folders unless (in the Thunderbird client) I uncheck the setting "Show only subscribed folders". Still, the top-level folder is shown as grayed-out/italics as well as the the sub-folder INBOX. All other sub-folder at the same level as INBOX are not grayed-out, nor are folders subordinate to INBOX: user at mydom.org <-- topmost "real" account folder +Inbox Drafts Templates send Items Junk E-mail Deleted Items +bpatterson <-- added Maildir folders from former user, grayed-out, italics +INBOX <-- grayed out, italic Payabled <-- not grayed Health Care <-- not grayed : : Sent <-- not grayed Sent Items <-- not grayed Templates <-- not grayed Trash <-- not grayed Mozilla has a reference to this phenomenon http://kb.mozillazine.org/Grey_italic_folders, but this seems to have to do with GMAIL accounts. Mine is a local IMAP server and the link has no apparent remedy. Furthermore, if I attempt to delete e.g. "Trash" I get an error, presumably from Dovecot: "The current command did not succeed. The mail server for account user at mydom.org responded: [ALREADYEXISTS] Target mailbox already exists." Seem like an odd error when trying to delete. My theory is that if I can designated these folders as 'subcribed' everything would work normally. I don't know if that's true. I've tried added these folders to the 'subscriptions' file in the user's Maildir folder, an excerpt of which: INBOX.Directed Brokerage INBOX.Directed Brokerage.Abel Noser INBOX.Investments-Active.Kayne INBOX.Pending - Open Projects Deleted Items.Oath INBOX.Board Info.New Trustee-Oath of Office INBOX.Rule Filing-Rule Changes bpatterson.INBOX.2011 Investment Confirmation Responses bpatterson.INBOX.2011 and 2012 KCR Audit bpatterson.INBOX.2012 Investment Confirmation Responses bpatterson.INBOX.2013 Health Care Changes - Information bpatterson.INBOX.2013 Investment Confirmation Responses where the 1st 7 listed are part of the user's existing list and the next ones are what I added for the former user's mail folders. This did not work. Ideas? --Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mark Foley <mfoley at ohprs.org> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:05:33 -0400 Organization: Ohio Highway Patrol Retirement System To: dovecot at dovecot.org Subject: Re: Moving Maildir folders Hey!! It is now showing the former users' folders at the top level of the current user. Great! Perhaps dovecot just needed time to "index" the new messages? Anyway, Luigi's suggestion on moving and renaming the folders apparently worked. Thanks!!!! --Mark -----Original Message-----> Subject: Re: Moving Maildir folders > From: Frank-Ulrich Sommer <f-u.s at gmx.net> > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:41:10 +0200 > To: dovecot at dovecot.org> How did you verify that dovecot doesn't show these folders? Couldn't this be a client problem? In Thunderbird e.g. it might be necessary to update the list of displayed folders. > > Am 16. Juli 2016 19:07:39 MESZ, schrieb Mark Foley <mfoley at ohprs.org>: > >On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:53:27 +0200 Luigi Rosa <lists at luigirosa.com> > >wrote: > >> > >> Mark Foley wrote on 16/07/2016 07:43: > >> > Our office had a user leave. Another user is taking over her > >duties and needs reference to the > >> > departing user's email. I've copied that entire departed user's > >Maildir structure to the current > >> > user: > >> > > >> > mv olduser/Maildir/.* curuser/Maildir/.olduser > >> > > >> > I did change permission and ownership on curuser/Maildir/.olduser > >to be the target user. I did > >> > not bring over the olduser/Maildir/dovecot* files (indexes, > >subscriptions, etc.) as I thought > >> > that would be bad. > >> > >> Maildir has no nested folders. > >> > >> If you want a subtree structure in maildir you must create each > >folder at the > >> first level > >> > >> in the new user you must have something like: > >> > >> .olduser.INBOX > >> .olduser.Sent > >> .olduser.Trash > >> .olduser.Drafts > >> .olduser.whatever > >> > >> Each directory with tmp, newm cur subdirs only (ad dovecot files, of > >course) > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> Ciao, > >> luigi > >> > >> / > >> +--[Luigi Rosa]-- > >> \ > >> > >> Understanding is a three-edged sword. > >> --Kosh, "Deathwalker" > > > >OK, I believe I've done as you suggested, but still nothing showing on > >the target users mail > >client. Here's what part of the Maildir looks like with the 1st set of > >folders belonging to the > >target user and those beginning with .bpatterson from the old user. > >Does this look right as > >you've advised? Perhaps I need to do something else? > > > >.INBOX.Travel/ > >.INBOX.UPS/ > >.INBOX.US\ Bank/ > >.INBOX.United\ Health\ Care-Employee/ > >.INBOX.VRC/ > >.INBOX.Website/ > >.INBOX.Website.Mouse\ Pad\ Insert/ > >.INBOX.iLink/ > >.Junk\ E-mail/ > >.Sent\ Items/ > >.Templates/ > >.bpatterson.Deleted\ Items/ > >.bpatterson.Drafts/ > >.bpatterson.INBOX.2011\ Investment\ Confirmation\ Responses/ > >.bpatterson.INBOX.2011\ and\ 2012\ KCR\ Audit/ > >.bpatterson.INBOX.2012\ Investment\ Confirmation\ Responses/ > >.bpatterson.INBOX.2013\ Health\ Care\ Changes\ -\ Information/ > >.bpatterson.INBOX.2013\ Investment\ Confirmation\ Responses/ > > > >At the top level, the target user has (in email client): > > > >Inbox > >Drafts > >Templates > >Sent Items > >Junk E-mail > >Deleted Items > > > >I'm expecting to see "bpatterson" appear in that list. > > > >Thanks --Mark > > -- > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet. >
Am 17.07.2016 um 02:36 schrieb Mark Foley:> Not quite there yet. The folders show up, but I cannot see the mail inside the folders unless > (in the Thunderbird client) I uncheck the setting "Show only subscribed folders". Still, the > top-level folder is shown as grayed-out/italics as well as the the sub-folder INBOX. All other > sub-folder at the same level as INBOX are not grayed-out, nor are folders subordinate to INBOX: > > user at mydom.org <-- topmost "real" account folder > +Inbox > Drafts > Templates > send Items > Junk E-mail > Deleted Items > +bpatterson <-- added Maildir folders from former user, grayed-out, italics > +INBOX <-- grayed out, italic > Payabled <-- not grayed > Health Care <-- not grayed > : > : > Sent <-- not grayed > Sent Items <-- not grayed > Templates <-- not grayed > Trash <-- not grayed > > Mozilla has a reference to this phenomenon http://kb.mozillazine.org/Grey_italic_folders, but > this seems to have to do with GMAIL accounts. Mine is a local IMAP server and the link has no > apparent remedy. > > Furthermore, if I attempt to delete e.g. "Trash" I get an error, presumably from Dovecot: "The > current command did not succeed. The mail server for account user at mydom.org responded: > [ALREADYEXISTS] Target mailbox already exists." Seem like an odd error when trying to delete. > > My theory is that if I can designated these folders as 'subcribed' everything would work > normally. I don't know if that's true. I've tried added these folders to the 'subscriptions' > file in the user's Maildir folder, an excerpt of which: > > INBOX.Directed Brokerage > INBOX.Directed Brokerage.Abel Noser > INBOX.Investments-Active.Kayne > INBOX.Pending - Open Projects > Deleted Items.Oath > INBOX.Board Info.New Trustee-Oath of Office > INBOX.Rule Filing-Rule Changes > bpatterson.INBOX.2011 Investment Confirmation Responses > bpatterson.INBOX.2011 and 2012 KCR Audit > bpatterson.INBOX.2012 Investment Confirmation Responses > bpatterson.INBOX.2013 Health Care Changes - Information > bpatterson.INBOX.2013 Investment Confirmation Responses > > where the 1st 7 listed are part of the user's existing list and the next ones are what I added > for the former user's mail folders. This did not work. > > Ideas? > > --MarkHi Mark, Try to subscribe in thundebird via your accounts right click context menu. The greyed out folders may not contain mails (missing .cur etc. suubfolders). Sometimes it is neccessary to clean the ImapMail folder in the thunderbird user profile (as an last resort). achim~
Am 2016-07-17 um 02:36 schrieb Mark Foley:> Not quite there yet. The folders show up, but I cannot see the mail inside the folders unless > (in the Thunderbird client) I uncheck the setting "Show only subscribed folders". Still, the > top-level folder is shown as grayed-out/italics as well as the the sub-folder INBOX. All other > sub-folder at the same level as INBOX are not grayed-out, nor are folders subordinate to INBOX: > > user at mydom.org <-- topmost "real" account folder > +Inbox > Drafts > Templates > send Items > Junk E-mail > Deleted Items > +bpatterson <-- added Maildir folders from former user, grayed-out, italics > +INBOX <-- grayed out, italic > Payabled <-- not grayed > Health Care <-- not grayed > : > : > Sent <-- not grayed > Sent Items <-- not grayed > Templates <-- not grayed > Trash <-- not grayed > > > Furthermore, if I attempt to delete e.g. "Trash" I get an error, presumably from Dovecot: "The > current command did not succeed. The mail server for account user at mydom.org responded: > [ALREADYEXISTS] Target mailbox already exists." Seem like an odd error when trying to delete. > > > Ideas?With Maildir and path separator "." one can have incomplete paths: eg. bpatterson.INBOX.2011 will say that there is 2011 within INBOX within bpatterson -- while it is possible, that both bpatterson and bpatterson.INBOX do not exist! Thunderbird will render the missing folders gray in the UI, you probably cannot subscribe to those, even from the subscribe dialogue. You should be able to create them though. Also, you cannot delete a folder, when there is already a folder with the same name inside of your Trash, i.e. Trash.Trash? -- peter