On 09/30/2020 05:40 AM, John Pierce wrote:> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 8:33 AM H <agents at meddatainc.com> wrote: > >> I have an old external harddisk, Toshiba 320 Gb, with a USB connector that >> I wanted to check for contents. It did not start up when connected and I >> could not hear the motor spinning. After leaving it in the freezer >> overnight the motor spins but it is not recognized by my computer. I >> disassembled it and could see that the head assembly rests outside the disk >> but when it is powered on, the head first moves to the center of the disk, >> then to the periphery and finally back to the resting position. This >> happens every few seconds and leaving it connected overnight changed >> nothing. >> > That repeated seeking suggests it's not passing its self test, and is > constantly retrying. It's probably searching for servo data on the disks, > and not finding it. > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centosI see. I have not searched for any low-level disk utility from Toshiba, the manufacturer of the disk. Do you think that might be worthwhile to hopefully fix this?
Since you have taken the disk apart it will now be useless as within the enclosure there could have been a vacuum or an inert gas. You will never be able to recover any data on the disk unless you go and pay for a professional data recovery organisation to read the platters. The price for a replacement 340GByte USB disk is about $25 which would give you a better product than your old disk. Mark -----Original Message----- From: H Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 4:47 PM To: centos at centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] External harddisk On 09/30/2020 05:40 AM, John Pierce wrote:> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 8:33 AM H <agents at meddatainc.com> wrote: > >> I have an old external harddisk, Toshiba 320 Gb, with a USB connector >> that >> I wanted to check for contents. It did not start up when connected and I >> could not hear the motor spinning. After leaving it in the freezer >> overnight the motor spins but it is not recognized by my computer. I >> disassembled it and could see that the head assembly rests outside the >> disk >> but when it is powered on, the head first moves to the center of the >> disk, >> then to the periphery and finally back to the resting position. This >> happens every few seconds and leaving it connected overnight changed >> nothing. >> > That repeated seeking suggests it's not passing its self test, and is > constantly retrying. It's probably searching for servo data on the > disks, > and not finding it. > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centosI see. I have not searched for any low-level disk utility from Toshiba, the manufacturer of the disk. Do you think that might be worthwhile to hopefully fix this? _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
> Since you have taken the disk apart it will now be useless as within the > enclosure there could have been a vacuum or an inert gas.>From what I know gas filled disks didn't exist in the times when 3X0GB wason a 2" drive.> > You will never be able to recover any data on the disk unless you go and > pay > for a professional data recovery organisation to read the platters.No, if he did care that the disks didn't become dirty then the drive should still work quite well to recover what is on it. Of course the cover should be put on ASAP. If you don't believe me, just try it our yourself.> > The price for a replacement 340GByte USB disk is about $25 which would > give > you a better product than your old disk.The OP wanted to recover what is on the disk, not use it as a normal disk. Simon> > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: H > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 4:47 PM > To: centos at centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] External harddisk > > On 09/30/2020 05:40 AM, John Pierce wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 8:33 AM H <agents at meddatainc.com> wrote: >> >>> I have an old external harddisk, Toshiba 320 Gb, with a USB connector >>> that >>> I wanted to check for contents. It did not start up when connected and >>> I >>> could not hear the motor spinning. After leaving it in the freezer >>> overnight the motor spins but it is not recognized by my computer. I >>> disassembled it and could see that the head assembly rests outside the >>> disk >>> but when it is powered on, the head first moves to the center of the >>> disk, >>> then to the periphery and finally back to the resting position. This >>> happens every few seconds and leaving it connected overnight changed >>> nothing. >>> >> That repeated seeking suggests it's not passing its self test, and is >> constantly retrying. It's probably searching for servo data on the >> disks, >> and not finding it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS at centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > I see. I have not searched for any low-level disk utility from Toshiba, > the > manufacturer of the disk. Do you think that might be worthwhile to > hopefully > fix this? > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >
On 2020-09-30 10:55, Mark (Netbook) wrote:> Since you have taken the disk apart it will now be useless as within the > enclosure there could have been a vacuum or an inert gas. >No, old drives were filled with air usually, and were connected to exterior atmosphere via porous barrier. That is why regular drives are much more likely to fail up in the mountains, say where the is about 1/2 of normal atmospheric pressure. Pressure inside ordinary drive is the same as external pressure, and heads are just spring loaded and are resting on platter surface, and are pushed away from it when platters spin (hence so called "parking track" ). Air works as viscous liquid at these relative speeds, and the law is at least cubic, so at 1/2 atmosphere heads are much closer to platter surface. Therefore, failures are quite likely. Sealed drives are still not wide spread, He (helium) filled would be one type. But sealed drives existed even some 25+ years ago (to be used at Astronomy observatories high in mountains, e.g.). I remember HP drives of that kind that costed $10k apiece back then, and those dollars, not today's dollars. What you are right about is: the drive upon opening got contaminated with solid dust particles, and will not serve long. But fair chance is, one still will be able to get data off it.> You will never be able to recover any data on the disk unless you go and > pay for a professional data recovery organisation to read the platters. >While he may be able to recover data, professional recovery are more likely to succeed. They will be not happy to work with drive that was opened not in a "clean room", and my charge more. Be it I, I definitely will tell them that drive was opened not in clean room, they will know anyway once they have drive. Valeri> The price for a replacement 340GByte USB disk is about $25 which would > give you a better product than your old disk. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- From: H > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 4:47 PM > To: centos at centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] External harddisk > > On 09/30/2020 05:40 AM, John Pierce wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 8:33 AM H <agents at meddatainc.com> wrote: >> >>> I have an old external harddisk, Toshiba 320 Gb, with a USB connector >>> that >>> I wanted to check for contents. It did not start up when connected and I >>> could not hear the motor spinning. After leaving it in the freezer >>> overnight the motor spins but it is not recognized by my computer. I >>> disassembled it and could see that the head assembly rests outside >>> the disk >>> but when it is powered on, the head first moves to the center of the >>> disk, >>> then to the periphery and finally back to the resting position. This >>> happens every few seconds and leaving it connected overnight changed >>> nothing. >>> >> That repeated seeking suggests it's not passing its self test, and is >> constantly retrying.?? It's probably searching for servo data on the >> disks, >> and not finding it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS at centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > I see. I have not searched for any low-level disk utility from Toshiba, > the manufacturer of the disk. Do you think that might be worthwhile to > hopefully fix this? > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++