On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 16:55:19 -0400 Stephen John Smoogen wrote:> Nothing has changed since the September 16 answer I gave: > > This is more of a question for the EPEL lists versus here. The current > status is that desktops are harder to package up in EL8 and only a > less feature version is available at the moment. At the moment the > only one I know of is KDE is half implemented in EPEL Playground and > will be reimplemented as a module when EPEL gains the ability to do > modules. At that point interested people can also do the work to make > Mate/Cinnamon/etc available.Thanks ever so much for the update, even though as you say nothing much has changed. Perhaps now that more people have their hands on Centos 8 and can work with it the folks who know what they're doing for getting desktops running on EL8 (and I'm definitely not one of them) will be able to make further progress. I sincerely appreciate the update, though. Since Mate is widely used, I suspect other folks who follow this mailing list would also be interested progress reports and release announcements when and if something becomes available. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com
Le 24/09/2019 ? 23:09, Frank Cox a ?crit :> Perhaps now that more people have their hands on Centos 8 and can > work with it the folks who know what they're doing for getting > desktops running on EL8 (and I'm definitely not one of them) will be > able to make further progress.For what it's worth, I've been using CentOS on servers and desktops for years, since 4.x. Even published a book in France about CentOS on the desktop, based on 5.3, which sold 3.000 copies. Last december I decided to part ways with CentOS on the desktop. It's still running on all my servers (and those of my clients). Right now I'm figuring out CentOS 8.0 on a sandbox server, taking notes and reading the RHEL 8 documentation. But on the desktop, I've switched to OpenSUSE Leap, and I'm a happy camper now. I can highly recommend it. Sports every major and minor desktop environment under the sun, and it's a nice blend of semi-rolling releases based on a rock-solid SLES base. Cheers, Niki -- Microlinux - Solutions informatiques durables 7, place de l'?glise - 30730 Montpezat Site : https://www.microlinux.fr Mail : info at microlinux.fr T?l. : 04 66 63 10 32 Mob. : 06 51 80 12 12
On 2019-09-24 17:06, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:> Le 24/09/2019 ? 23:09, Frank Cox a ?crit : >> Perhaps now that more people have their hands on Centos 8 and can >> work with it the folks who know what they're doing for getting >> desktops running on EL8 (and I'm definitely not one of them) will be >> able to make further progress. > > For what it's worth, I've been using CentOS on servers and desktops for > years, since 4.x. Even published a book in France about CentOS on the > desktop, based on 5.3, which sold 3.000 copies. > > Last december I decided to part ways with CentOS on the desktop. It's > still running on all my servers (and those of my clients). Right now I'm > figuring out CentOS 8.0 on a sandbox server, taking notes and reading > the RHEL 8 documentation.I moved servers from CentOS to FreeBSD... but workstations and number crunchers are all CentOS> > But on the desktop, I've switched to OpenSUSEI tried SUSE around ver 7. Memory leak in code run as unpiveleged user was consistently crashing stock SUSE installation. Whereas downloaded and build kernel from kernel.org (with all default options) on the same SAUSE box successfully killed offender with OOM killer, and was standing like a rock. I never came back to SUSE. Incidentally, I consider it counter productive what SUSE does about configuration: keeps all configuration in a single yast file; you change one component, yast touches all actual configuration files... counter productive, will take you a lot of effort to figure what changed on a given day if something went wrong after that day. Couldn't figure one funny thing too: why Germans would use English abbreviation Yet Another System Tool for yast ;-) Valeri> Leap, and I'm a happy > camper now. I can highly recommend it. Sports every major and minor > desktop environment under the sun, and it's a nice blend of semi-rolling > releases based on a rock-solid SLES base. > > Cheers, > > Niki >-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 9/25/19 12:06 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:> But on the desktop, I've switched to OpenSUSE Leap, and I'm a happy > camper now. I can highly recommend it. Sports every major and minor > desktop environment under the sun, and it's a nice blend of semi-rolling > releases based on a rock-solid SLES base. >Why do you need "every major and minor desktop environment under the sun"? I run CentOS desktops/laptops since 5.3 and even rebuilt 70+ packages for it, even Skype rpm. All I need for work that feeds me is one good work environment and that is MATE. All tray icons are visible so I can see if message or mail comes without need to move more then eyeball. And stablity of CentOS makes it best option even though versions of apps are not latest and greatest, it is enough they do the job needed. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant
On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 17:09, Frank Cox <theatre at sasktel.net> wrote:> > On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 16:55:19 -0400 > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > Nothing has changed since the September 16 answer I gave: > > > > This is more of a question for the EPEL lists versus here. The current > > status is that desktops are harder to package up in EL8 and only a > > less feature version is available at the moment. At the moment the > > only one I know of is KDE is half implemented in EPEL Playground and > > will be reimplemented as a module when EPEL gains the ability to do > > modules. At that point interested people can also do the work to make > > Mate/Cinnamon/etc available. > > Thanks ever so much for the update, even though as you say nothing much has changed. > > Perhaps now that more people have their hands on Centos 8 and can work with it the folks who know what they're doing for getting desktops running on EL8 (and I'm definitely not one of them) will be able to make further progress. > > I sincerely appreciate the update, though. Since Mate is widely used, I suspect other folks who follow this mailing list would also be interested progress reports and release announcements when and if something becomes available. >I am guessing that because CentOS releases only every 3-5 years, people forget how much work is done at the beginning of every release. First there is a lack of packages available. Then there is the complaining that the OS is useless because it doesn't have ABC. Then there is finding the people who are challenged enough by the lack of packages to go learn how to package up stuff and make it available. Then there is a section where packages get uniform and together. Then things pretty much stay at that until the next CentOS major release... people either decide they want to skip to the next or just wait it out. So currently we are in the finding out the lack of packages and the complaining stage. The real challenge will be finding the people who see that as a challenge versus a show-stopper and do the next steps. -- Stephen J Smoogen.
> I am guessing that because CentOS releases only every 3-5 years, > people forget how much work is done at the beginning of every release. > First there is a lack of packages available. Then there is the > complaining that the OS is useless because it doesn't have ABC. Then > there is finding the people who are challenged enough by the lack of > packages to go learn how to package up stuff and make it available. > Then there is a section where packages get uniform and together. Then > things pretty much stay at that until the next CentOS major release... > people either decide they want to skip to the next or just wait it > out. > > So currently we are in the finding out the lack of packages and the > complaining stage. The real challenge will be finding the people who > see that as a challenge versus a show-stopper and do the next steps. >Surely this is exactly what the SIGs and CentOS Stream are for: developing and contributing to the forthcoming releases of RHEL/CentOS. If Mate or whatever is so important to you, then get involved in the relevant SIG - which in this case is probably https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/AlternativeDesktop personally, and I know this seems a bit heretic around here, but I actually like Gnome. P.